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ZuzuBailey
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WHY do you insist on changing the subject of threads?
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planten
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It was because the christian friends had drifted away from the topic. One frined had presented the speech of Padre peter…
The others were supporting thier post by repeated saying that Jesus was really a god. We Muslims do not believe that. And the christians were bringing up the Trinity too. So I had to go after them.
Otherwis eI have replied to the subject of the son and the adapted son. They are not real sons at all. Zaid was not the son of Muhammad. That is final. The prophet had to prove to the world to be careful of the word son, adopted or otherwise. That applied to Jesus too. The prophet by marrying zainab taught us a good lesson about Jesus being a son of God. he told us that Zaid was not his real son. And Jesus is not any real son of God. Thanks.
The others were supporting thier post by repeated saying that Jesus was really a god. We Muslims do not believe that. And the christians were bringing up the Trinity too. So I had to go after them.
Otherwis eI have replied to the subject of the son and the adapted son. They are not real sons at all. Zaid was not the son of Muhammad. That is final. The prophet had to prove to the world to be careful of the word son, adopted or otherwise. That applied to Jesus too. The prophet by marrying zainab taught us a good lesson about Jesus being a son of God. he told us that Zaid was not his real son. And Jesus is not any real son of God. Thanks.
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Angelos
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This is nonsense. Mohammad adopted Zaid because he had no male offspring. Through adoption Zaid became equal to a biological son.
Jesus is not A Son, but THE Son. Your Koran makes no association between Mohammad’s desires for his son’s bride and the basic Christian tenet concerning Jesus’ personality.
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ZuzuBailey
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Just because you fell hook, line , and sinker to your muhammad does not mean we should.
Your final answer was from a liar and a deceiver.
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whiteknite
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Is it true that Muhammad married a Catholic girl and she didnt have to change her Religon??
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inJESUS
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of course not. Khadija was no Catholic, not even orthodox Christian, neither was her uncle Waraqa Ben Nawfal who taught Muhammad. No she did not have to change religion because when they married, they did not marry a la Islam but most probably according to Khadija’s sect. It was later that Khajida and Waraqa announced Muhammad a messenger.
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planten
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If Khadija was a Catholic or some kind of christian then it is all the better. We Muslims have a mother from the christians. That could be a lesson for all christians to convert too. She was such a nice lady doing good business.
She sent message and invited Muhamamd for marriage. She was then a widow, 40 years old and Muhammad was only 25 years old. They had a good wonderful married life for 25 years. Khadija suffered very much at the hands of the Pagans of Arabia along with her husband and other Muslims. She was a truely helpful, faithful lady.
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Angelos
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Khadijah was neither Jewish nor Christian, but only a pagan like her husband Mohammad.
Khadijah might have suffered in the hands of pagans due toMohammad’s allegations, but Mohammad always became ungrateful to her. Allah never remembered to praise or at least mention Khadijah in the Koran and Mohammad did not put her on the list of “Ummulmuminiyn” (mother of Muslims). A very saddening story
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dolphinlove
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Its always refreshing getting the truth from you about such matters Angelos.Khadijah was neither Jewish nor Christian, but only a pagan like her husband Mohammad.
Khadijah might have suffered in the hands of pagans due toMohammad’s allegations, but Mohammad always became ungrateful to her. Allah never remembered to praise or at least mention Khadijah in the Koran and Mohammad did not put her on the list of “Ummulmuminiyn” (mother of Muslims). A very saddening story
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She was nothing but Satan assistance, together with her cousin Waraqa, they were the ones Satan used to deceive Muhammed as shown in hadith below, they knew nothing about Christianity other than the name, else they wouldn’t have told Muhammed what they have told.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3:
“…The Prophet added, “The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, ‘I do not know how to read.’ Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, ‘I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?’ Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.” (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah’s Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, “Cover me! Cover me!” They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, “I fear that something may happen to me.” Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your Kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones. Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal ….”
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inJESUS
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here i disagree with you
there is no mention of Khadija ever worshiping an idol of being a pagan. If you read the following:Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. **She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospels in Arabic **
with the fact written in Seera Al-Halabiyya ( if i recall well) that Waraqa, (most probably a cleric of the sect he belonged to sice he used to translate scriptures) that he was present during the marriage of Khadija and Muhammad and he himself “announced them husband and wife”, then it is more than probable that Khadija belonged to the same sect of her uncle and both contributed in tutoring Muhammad who was inclined as a person toward religions and would be the best candidate to take after Waraqa.
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inJESUS
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Unfortunately , many here cannot read Arabic. For those who read Arabic, here is an excerpt of a poetry written by Waraqa Ben Nawfal:
لقد نصحت لأقوام وقلت لهم أنا النذير فلا يغركم أحد
لا تعبدون إلها غير خالقكم فان دعوكم فقـولوا بيننا حدد
سبحان ذي العرش سبحانا نعوذ به وقبل قد سبح الجود والجمد
مسخر كل ما تحت السماء له لا ينبغي أن يناوي ملكـه أحد
لا شئ مما نرى تبقى بشاشته يبقى الإله ويودى المال والولد
لم تغن عن هرمز يوما خزائنه والخلد قد حاولت عاد فما خلدوا
ولا سليمان إذ دان الشعوب له والجن والإنس يجري بينها برد
أين الملـوك التي كانت لعزتها من كـل أوب إليهـا وافد يفد
حوض هناك مورود بلا كذب لابـد مـن ورده كمـا وردوا
رشدت وأنعمت ابن عمرو وإنما تجنبت تنـورا مـن الله حـاميا
بـدينك ربا ليس ربـا كمثلـه وتركت أوثان الطـواغي كما هيا
وأدركك الـدين الـذي قد طلبته ولـم تك عن توحيـد ربك ساهيا
فأصبحت في دار كريـم مقامها تعـلل فيهـا بالكـرامة لاهيـا
تـلاقي خليل الله فيها ولـم تكن من الناس جبارا إلى النار هـاويا
قد تـدرك الإنسان راحمة ربـه ولو كان تحت الأرض سبعين واديا
حنانيك إن الجـن كنت رجاءهم وأنت الهــي ربنــا ورجائيـا
أديـن لـرب يستجيب ولا أرى أدين لمـن لا يسمع الدهـر داعيا
أقـول إذا صليت في كـل بيعة تباركت قـد أكـثرت باسمك داعيا.
This is found in هذه الصفحة منقولة من كتاب المجهول فى حياة الرسول للدكتور المقريزى
That is, from the book Al-Majhool of the messenger Muhammad’s life by Dr. Al-Mukrisi.
لقد نصحت لأقوام وقلت لهم أنا النذير فلا يغركم أحد
لا تعبدون إلها غير خالقكم فان دعوكم فقـولوا بيننا حدد
سبحان ذي العرش سبحانا نعوذ به وقبل قد سبح الجود والجمد
مسخر كل ما تحت السماء له لا ينبغي أن يناوي ملكـه أحد
لا شئ مما نرى تبقى بشاشته يبقى الإله ويودى المال والولد
لم تغن عن هرمز يوما خزائنه والخلد قد حاولت عاد فما خلدوا
ولا سليمان إذ دان الشعوب له والجن والإنس يجري بينها برد
أين الملـوك التي كانت لعزتها من كـل أوب إليهـا وافد يفد
حوض هناك مورود بلا كذب لابـد مـن ورده كمـا وردوا
رشدت وأنعمت ابن عمرو وإنما تجنبت تنـورا مـن الله حـاميا
بـدينك ربا ليس ربـا كمثلـه وتركت أوثان الطـواغي كما هيا
وأدركك الـدين الـذي قد طلبته ولـم تك عن توحيـد ربك ساهيا
فأصبحت في دار كريـم مقامها تعـلل فيهـا بالكـرامة لاهيـا
تـلاقي خليل الله فيها ولـم تكن من الناس جبارا إلى النار هـاويا
قد تـدرك الإنسان راحمة ربـه ولو كان تحت الأرض سبعين واديا
حنانيك إن الجـن كنت رجاءهم وأنت الهــي ربنــا ورجائيـا
أديـن لـرب يستجيب ولا أرى أدين لمـن لا يسمع الدهـر داعيا
أقـول إذا صليت في كـل بيعة تباركت قـد أكـثرت باسمك داعيا.
This is found in هذه الصفحة منقولة من كتاب المجهول فى حياة الرسول للدكتور المقريزى
That is, from the book Al-Majhool of the messenger Muhammad’s life by Dr. Al-Mukrisi.
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inJESUS
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Google is English is so poor compared to googling in Arabic where you can read wonders about Muhammad’s background
وقام القس ورقة أبن نوفل يبارك الزواج وقال : الحمد لله الذى جعلنا كما ذكرت , وفضلن على ما عددت . فنحن سادة العرب وقادتها , وأنتم أهل ذلك كله . لا ينكر العرب فضلكم , فإشهدوا على يا معشر قريش , إنى قد زوجت بنت خويلد من محمد بن عبد الله " وفرح ابو طالب فرحاً شديداً وقال : الحمد لله الذى أذهب عنا الكرب ودفع عنا الغموم " السيرة الحلبية 1/ 155 – السيرة المكية 1/ 123 فما هو الكرب والغموم فى رايه ؟ ولماذا قال هذه الكلمة فى يوم فرح ؟ … وقال أيضاً عن إبن أخيه : " وهو والله بعد هذا ( الزواج ) له نبأ عظيم وشأن خطير" سيرة إبن هشام 1/ 194
فخطبها إليه فتزوجها , وأصدقها رسول الله عشرين بكرة , ولم يتزوج عليها حتى ماتت إبن هشام 1/ 174
Waraqa Ben Nawfal blessing Muhammad and Khadija’s marriage:
he starts by some national poetry about Arabs then proceeds to say: Be witness oh Bani Quraish that i have married the daugther of Al-Khuwaylid to Muhammad Ibn Abdallah…
and the quote ends with saying that Muhammad will have a great role after this marriage. (my translation)
Al-Seera Al-Halabiyya 1/55 and Al-Seera Al-Makkiyaa 1/123
How not if he was tutored by Waraqa for 15 years who married him to his wealthy cousin and was the one to tell him he is a messenger? Waraqa basically provided Muhammad with all the means to make him the successor of his sect and Muhammad staed with an elderly women for years, until her death, he did not marry anyone else or divorce her, and after Waraqa and Khadija’s death, he let loose his personal convictions and suddenly couldn’t live a year without marrying someone until he ended up having 9 wives and right hand possessions and any woman who “invites him to her bed” (provided she is a believers) so as we see changes of tones and teachings between Meccan and Medinan suras and he invented the abrogation theory.
وقام القس ورقة أبن نوفل يبارك الزواج وقال : الحمد لله الذى جعلنا كما ذكرت , وفضلن على ما عددت . فنحن سادة العرب وقادتها , وأنتم أهل ذلك كله . لا ينكر العرب فضلكم , فإشهدوا على يا معشر قريش , إنى قد زوجت بنت خويلد من محمد بن عبد الله " وفرح ابو طالب فرحاً شديداً وقال : الحمد لله الذى أذهب عنا الكرب ودفع عنا الغموم " السيرة الحلبية 1/ 155 – السيرة المكية 1/ 123 فما هو الكرب والغموم فى رايه ؟ ولماذا قال هذه الكلمة فى يوم فرح ؟ … وقال أيضاً عن إبن أخيه : " وهو والله بعد هذا ( الزواج ) له نبأ عظيم وشأن خطير" سيرة إبن هشام 1/ 194
فخطبها إليه فتزوجها , وأصدقها رسول الله عشرين بكرة , ولم يتزوج عليها حتى ماتت إبن هشام 1/ 174
Waraqa Ben Nawfal blessing Muhammad and Khadija’s marriage:
he starts by some national poetry about Arabs then proceeds to say: Be witness oh Bani Quraish that i have married the daugther of Al-Khuwaylid to Muhammad Ibn Abdallah…
and the quote ends with saying that Muhammad will have a great role after this marriage. (my translation)
Al-Seera Al-Halabiyya 1/55 and Al-Seera Al-Makkiyaa 1/123
How not if he was tutored by Waraqa for 15 years who married him to his wealthy cousin and was the one to tell him he is a messenger?
Waraqa basically provided Muhammad with all the means to make him the successor of his sect and Muhammad staed with an elderly women for years, until her death, he did not marry anyone else or divorce her, and after Waraqa and Khadija’s death, he let loose his personal convictions and suddenly couldn’t live a year without marrying someone until he ended up having 9 wives and right hand possessions and any woman who “invites him to her bed” (provided she is a believers) so as we see changes of tones and teachings between Meccan and Medinan suras and he invented the abrogation theory.
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Sam_777
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That’s why we always say if you want to know the truth about Islam & Muhammed, then you should learn Arabic, the person would discover many hidden things which are either haven’t translated to the other languages or could be mistranslated by the Muslim clerics either by mistake or to hide the original meaning of the verse.Google is English is so poor compared to googling in Arabic where you can read wonders about Muhammad’s background
That proves the conspiracy theory about Muhammed, Khadija, and Waraqa, it seems they had 15 years to plan & cook all the Quranic verses, and it also proves that Waraqa pretended to be Christian to execute that conspiracy. 
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That’s why we always say if you want to know the truth about Islam & Muhammed, then you should learn Arabic, the person would discover many hidden things which are either haven’t translated to the other languages or could be mistranslated by the Muslim clerics either by mistake or to hide the original meaning of the verse.
indeed, many info about Muhammad are totally alien to non-Arabs and even to many Arabs since the sheikhs teaching about Islam pick and choose what to teach. That is why you read Muslims saying that Muhammad, as if dropping from heaven into the middle of nowhere, that he never heard of other religions, never discussed religion, did not learn anything from Waraqa, was illeterate ecc ecc when this cannot be any further from truth and history. The man had been tutored for at least 15 years ( even much more since he knew Waraqa before marrying Khadija and Waraqa was a relative descendant from a common grandfather Qusay)…Again, once you dig into the Arabic Islamic literature, you read wonders and feel pitty for those who try to refute you by presenting us with a Muhammad who dropped directly from heaven.
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i also know that khadijah’s religion was pagan but maybe she also didn’t worship idols like muhammed.so if both of them weren’t pagan then what was their religion?i am little worried,if our muslim fellows declare both of them as PRE ISLAMIC MUSLIM
.anyway quran says that,alexander was a muslim,but we that he was a pure pagan.so muslim fellows what was the religion of khadija before islam?bt i think waraqa from HANIF,what is it,tribe?
.anyway quran says that,alexander was a muslim,but we that he was a pure pagan.so muslim fellows what was the religion of khadija before islam?bt i think waraqa from HANIF,what is it,tribe?
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Sam_777
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"Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, “Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!” Waraqa asked, “O my nephew! What have you seen?” Allah’s Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, “This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out.” Allah’s Apostle asked, “Will they drive me out?” Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, “Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly.” But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while. "
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- Based on which scripture Waraqa told Muhammed what he told above?
- Waraqa lost his eyesight, so how can he read or write?
- Why the divine inspiration was paused for a while, were Muhammed & Khadija replanning & recooking the conspiracy?
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