Regarding Necessary Conditions for Miracles to be Granted

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Ethereality, there are no …] list of conditions to be met to get God to perform a miracle.
Why do you think that? How do you know that? I think the Bible contradicts you, though of course I agree if you mean “get” as in “make”, since God is three persons (has free agency); God is not a force. But the Bible clearly teaches an if-then situation, just as in any relationship, like a parent who says, “If you do these chores, I’ll take you out to ice cream.” Obviously the child isn’t making the parent buy the ice cream by doing the chores, but nonetheless the conditions are clearly laid out and the parent is trustworthy, so the child may have confidence that if he does the chores, he will get the promised treat.
God bless you, I’ll pray for you.
Thanks, I need it. Pray for God to heal me, too. 👍 :signofcross:
 
I started this “experiment” around February 2014, and have prayed more or less every day. I used to pray the Liturgy of the Hours and the Rosary, but now it’s mostly limited to the formal intercessory prayers, my own prayers, and Mass and sometimes Japanese Morning Prayer (or Evening Prayer).
So you chose someone who is not yet canonized to intercede to God for you? (perhaps a Beatified person)?
Every day that passes, every reception of the Eucharist where God not only doesn’t heal me, but appears utterly absent, makes it more difficult to continue believing that God will heal me. I have recently been wondering whether God wants me to delete the photos I took before (for proof that the miracle occurred): Perhaps these photos would be too much for some people’s free will. Yet God hasn’t made this point clear to me, even despite my prayers that He would, so I am not sure how to proceed.
Don’t delete the photos. Use them as proof so when the miracle happens, you can present it to the Church so your uncanonized intercessor can be canonized.
Do you think God will be more likely to heal me if I delete the photos I took so there’s only verbal testimony of the prior condition?
No.

Don’t delete the photos.
However, now that I think of it, I recall reading that the Vatican rejected one alleged miracle because of incomplete documentation – as I recall, the hospital didn’t keep all the x-rays or something like that. … But I guess this doesn’t relate to my own personal documentation.
It does relate. You are adding more documentation that proves the miracle did happen.

Don’t give up, you have to give God a reasonable time. How much is that? I don’t know.
Perhaps God is working slowly to heal you.
 
I’m hesitant to jump in here, but perhaps one point for thought (much more can be said) …
  1. We are made of nothing.
  2. Everything God does, God does infinitely, outside of time, i.e. “at once”.
Therefore God holds us in being at every moment of our lives:

If God were to abandon us, we would cease to exist. That’s my understanding of Catholic theology. Thus, God doesn’t abandon us, even when we are suffering.
Imagine you are walking down the street. A gang comes up on you and beats you up. While they are beating you up, a police officer (armed, with a gun) sits there like a decoration watching everything happening, doing nothing.

Did the police officer do something wrong? Yes. He abandoned you.

Suppose it was your loving earthly father, again, he is armed with a gun.

Did your earthly father do something wrong? Yes. He abandoned you.

Now, Our Heavenly Father does the same thing. How did he not abandon you?

Frankly, not existing is better than suffering knowing God is just watching, doing nothing to help.
To the contrary (now repeating a point I made previously), Jesus entered into our suffering to demonstrate His love for us,
How do I know, that God said “Jesus did enough, I don’t have to help you anymore. Your temporal needs are none of my concern, I did enough by sacrificing my son.”

When God cares about our temporal needs it is his Mercy bleeding over to the temporal from the spiritual realm. It is a beautiful thing.

When God doesn’t care about our temporal needs, that’s him withholding his mercy.

I believe God loves us. But he acts like an old school father (disciplinarian, harsh, etc.) instead of a “daddy” (Abba).
 
So you chose someone who is not yet canonized to intercede to God for you? (perhaps a Beatified person)?
Yes, someone declared venerable who seems to me to have lived in a position and worked on problems entirely relevant to my problem, so he seems an ideal intercessor.
Don’t give up, you have to give God a reasonable time. How much is that? I don’t know.
Perhaps God is working slowly to heal you.
Well, it does seem that God is improving my spirit before improving my body, in keeping with the “seek first the kingdom” ideas of the Bible and other posters here; cf. Psalm 24, Proverbs 21:13, Matthew 6, John 15, James 4, James 5, 1 John 3, St. Aquinas, St. Augustine.
 
Imagine you are walking down the street. A gang comes up on you and beats you up. While they are beating you up, a police officer (armed, with a gun) sits there like a decoration watching everything happening, doing nothing.

Did the police officer do something wrong? Yes. He abandoned you.

Suppose it was your loving earthly father, again, he is armed with a gun.

Did your earthly father do something wrong? Yes. He abandoned you.

Now, Our Heavenly Father does the same thing. How did he not abandon you?

Frankly, not existing is better than suffering knowing God is just watching, doing nothing to help.
I used to make this same argument, what I would call “the playground analogy” (kids beating up other kids on the playground while the teacher idly watches). The problem here, as you have already been told I think several times, is your attitude, your depression: Your conception of the situation is incorrect (according to the Church). Seek help: Perhaps you need medication, or to do more to help yourself (e.g. exercise whatever you can to the extent that you can – physical exercise is a natural anti-depressant) to get out of this way of thinking.

Here is another way to conceive of the same situation: God helped you throughout the entire beating by preventing you from being hurt worse. Think for example of the metal cage of a car. Someone crashes into you, the car takes the brunt of the blows. You still get hurt, but if it wasn’t for the car’s design protecting you, you’d have been hurt far worse.* This is the point of that “footprints on the seashore” poem where Jesus was in fact carrying the person during their greatest suffering, despite their not realizing it.

So why doesn’t Jesus appear and personally intervene when someone hurts us? In addition to the obvious reason that this earth is our platform to grow in preparation for heaven – this earth is not heaven – I have experientially discovered a second reason, working through my own suffering as I grow in holiness and await God’s healing: As Job said, “The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away; blessed be the name of the Lord,” and we know after Job prayed and waited sufficiently, God restored what He had taken: God depriving us of good things is a means for us to grow in relationship with Him. C.S. Lewis also discusses this in The Problem of Pain, though I didn’t understand it when I read it. If we respond rightly to our misery, we come to see that God is the good, all other suffering as nothing in comparison. St. Paul says the same thing; I’m trying to recall the passage. 1 Cor 2:9 relates this point about heaven … Ah, Romans 8:18 is where he says the same thing: “I consider that the sufferings of this present time are as nothing compared with the glory to be revealed for us.”

In short, if I focus on the good that I’m lacking, my misery intensifies in my bitterness. If I focus on God, especially recognizing that He deprived me of that good (the human who did it was only His instrument) because He loves me, then I can obtain some sort of peace, knowing that it is for my greater good, and that God will give it back to me when I am ready for it. (Cf. 2 Maccabees 7:10-11.)
  • Even more to the point, I think this is central to understanding the Passion: We do evil things that demand justice, and God delivers the brunt of this punishment on Himself, in His mercy shielding us from the punishment our evil deeds deserve. Hence Jesus says John 15:13, i.e. jumping on our dropped grenade.
Of course this is a mystery, why God would give us free will, enabling us to commit such evil – sometimes I think I’d rather have been a pet cat (“a content pig”) rather than a man, but I suppose I don’t understand my own worth. Perhaps a hint comes from noting that all this is easy to say, but terribly difficult to live: The drama of life, I think, underscores the dignity of man. When we respond rightly, it glorifies God (as a demonstration of His power or sovereignty or goodness; and all attributes of God overlap) to create such radically free creatures who, even when they seem justified in acting against Him, choose Him instead. This sounds vain, but to clarify, our current existence is to enable to us to develop our characters in preparation for heaven, so it’s reasonable to give us hard tests.
 
Well, it does seem that God is improving my spirit before improving my body, in keeping with the “seek first the kingdom” ideas of the Bible and other posters here; cf. Psalm 24, Proverbs 21:13, Matthew 6, John 15, James 4, James 5, 1 John 3, St. Aquinas, St. Augustine.
Now this is amazing.

Because I prayed for you again at Mass this past Sunday, and wanted to write you a Private Message asking you to let me know when you start improving.

I remember you at Mass and in the Rosary … I can’t claim that I pray for you every day, but I do pray for you, and your healing. And it makes me cry sometimes.

As for the other people I told you that I was praying for, two friends with terminal cancer.

One of them, the one here on CAF named Weejee, apparently has died because her account has not been active in over a month. I continue to pray, and guide those prayers for her soul in purgatory … she had expressed an interest that people pray for that intention.

The other one went into hospice several months ago, but was then taken home to die … she was expected to die within about a month after Christmas. Well, she’s still alive and there’s been some improvement in her condition … weak improvement, but still improvement. I continue to pray for her. She has many people praying for her. I think that’s what keeps her alive.

~~ the phoenix
 
Yes, but I have to make it until *. How? I’m on my own here.*In short …

  1. *]Change your way of thinking. This includes expressing tempted thoughts (i.e. thoughts that probably aren’t true and probably come from evil spirits) like “I’m on my own.” I.e., care for your mind.
    *]Stay busy.
    *]Care for your body the best you can (diet, exercise, sleep). This may include going to a psychiatrist and getting on medicine.
    *]Be active in your community, spending time developing relationships with others.
    *]Care for your spirit, receiving the Sacraments as much as possible and studying the faith (not only doctrine but also biographies, letters, and autobiographies of saints to see how they lived and what they said).

    Of course there’s a lot more that can be said, but I recommend you search other threads, create your own, find books, speak with others, etc. for that. This thread is intended to be about the Bible and what God tells us about answering our prayers.
    the phoenix;12849470:
    Now this is amazing.

    Because I prayed for you … and others.]
    Thanks. I suppose I’ve been praying for them, too, although in a much more general way (I don’t know if that makes my prayers less useful to God). I think I need all the prayers I can get, including those in agreement for healing, since perhaps God requires faith to outweigh doubt (cf. Mark 6:1-6, Matthew 13:54-58, Matthew 18:19-20) and many here and some in my life have previously expressed doubt about God healing me.

    I am currently trying to discern whether I should begin taking medicine (to stabilize mood swings). I could write more elsewhere.
 
Bob, this is for you, from Our Lord Jesus Christ. Don’t reject Him. He knows you better than you know yourself.

youtube.com/watch?v=d2-SLaeGWfY

Listen to the words. This is what you need. Listen then, if you have ears…:(😦

All good things come from God.
 
I just ran across this video of The Journey Home on YouTube. The person being interviewed talks about living with chronic pain and BobCatholic.

youtube.com/watch?v=3xl_JWwOLWY
Paused around 22:33: She was saying that God took the pain of the Cross as a loving Father so that we wouldn’t have to, just as she would rather suffer so her children don’t have to. Yet how does this help us or have meaning when God requires us to suffer with Jesus? Note St. Paul – and St. John Paul II in “Salvifici Doloris” – also talking about “filling up what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ”. Perhaps God took other sufferings from me, but He’s still making me suffer so much that I want to die, so I don’t see how to appreciate it.

And another question: What sufferings did Jesus take in my place? I can only understand this as referring to damnation, eternal death, yet listening to “Catholic Answers Live” and EWTN it appears Jesus did not suffer this, as apparently John Calvin taught, that Jesus did not suffer the Father’s wrath, and nor was He damned nor did He spend eternity in hell. So how is what she’s saying here even accurate?

around 44:12 the host refers to something in the Bible about controversy “what should one expect when one converts to Christianity” regarding a lack of healing. Surely there is nothing about this in the New Testament, but rather he is mistaking the controversy of “the Judaizers” trying to get people to first obey the Mosaic Law. Am I overlooking something in the New Testament talking about people not being healed contrary to their expectations? Perhaps he is thinking rather of those getting sick and dying for receiving the Eucharist unworthily.

around 53:09 She encourages the audience to pray God hold and comfort us, and immediately or else that over time we’ll be comforted. This seems related to the sin of presumption (assuming that one is in right standing with God) – how can we know that God is not in fact punishing us for some sin? (Even if we’re not conscious of any obvious sin, we could be committing some other sin that offends him, e.g. self-centeredness while people in other countries need help we’re not providing.) It seems dangerous to assume God wants to comfort us and will do so if we ask Him to; it seems to slip into new age spirituality where you imagine the comfort and then convince yourself that it comes from God. Perhaps the Bible verse the host quotes around 54:00 resolves the matter: “Cast all your anxieties on the Lord, because He cares for you.”

I have trouble relating to her living with chronic pain because it seems that may be her work in life – she is married, already has children (who can presumably help around the house and attend school), and is able to spend large quantities of time not working but instead suffering. I am a single young adult male who is expected to be /very/ productive, radically different. For me, suffering could cause failure in my career, bankruptcy, inability to create or support a family.
 
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