Like I said, I did and still do study history. Today, we can see more atheism than there ever has been. There is also abortion, immodesty, impurity, gay marriage, - but most of all: a belief that there is no sin. In the past (and I am here talking about the past after Christianity, not before, because we can’t compare today to before the Gospel was known) - there was always a concept of objective truth, and morality, and good and evil. Today, everything is seen as subjective. But this can really keep people from repentance… if they don’t see that sin even exists. There is also a lot that we know about societies like the freemasons, though I dont know if you’d believe me on that. Mary did talk about it though in a Church approved apparition.
Atheism has been around since ancient Greece. The same with homosexuality and impurity. Does the name Sappho ring a bell?
Sorry but there’s no logical reason to exclude pre-Christian times from comparison. A time period is a time period. Be it post-Christian or pre-Christian, every era has its fair share of skeletons if you know where to dig.
Sorry but anything involving secret societies and Freemasons should be right out forth with regarding any discussion on history. It’s the stuff of conspiracy theories and you should know better than put any work giving them sensationalist credit on the same level as academic study.
Obviously, those who have had the opportunity to hear and accept the Gospel are held to a different standard than those who haven’t. “To him whom more has been given, more shall be expected” The degeneration of formerly (however imperfect) Christian societies is a concern.
Who’s giving them ‘sensationalist’ credit? She just mentioned them. They do exist, and they do act in history (especially evident in the history of America). Keeping their activities secret is what gives them power.
In her last illness (and I’m sure you know how much she suffered at the end) St. Therese said, “I’m suffering only for an instant. It’s because we think of the past and the future that we become discouraged and fall into despair.”
The subject is whether or not our period is more morally or spiritually degenerate than previous ones. The presence of Christianity is hardly a factor. When man makes one step forward towards goodness, he’ll take another step back towards evil. It’s that simple. The most “Christian-oriented” societies also committed grave atrocities for the very fact that they were Christian. Just look up the history of any country that was once a European colony (in my case, I would recommend special attention towards Spain
). You’ll find dozens of stories of clerical abuse, destruction of cultural heritage, and religious bias.Allusions to secrecy is also a conspiracy theorist trait. Real history puts facts in 1st place and speculation… probably somewhere down in 600th place.
The presence of Christianity is a major factor. The wood is no longer green - we know or should know better as a society to kill the unborn, to have gay bishops presiding over worship services to our God, to have gays marrying in His churches. These are not things of the mind of Christ, of the teaching of Christ, but are the things of this age. We have fallen into apostasy - many Christian nations have empty churches.
The wood wasn’t green either when WWI was on the horizon and it wasn’t green again during WWII. Don’t you see? It’s just a cycle and I’d wager a good deal right now that said cycle won’t be ending any time soon. You worried about empty churches? According to this children’s biography of St. John Vianney that I’m reading, the same plight already happened in France after the Revolution.
I hate to burst your bubble but the 20th century already came and went.
I said that I was talking about the “Christian” world, after the Gospel was made known. And today atheism does seem to be more common than ever before. Homosexuality is accepted not just in a couple countries but in many, and is considered to be a norm.
A society that doesn’t know the Gospel is less expected to follow it than a society that does…
Actually I disagree. And do you think that Our Lady of Good Success was lying in her apparition? (please read this whole article and see the prophesies that already came true) olrl.org/prophecy/goodsuccess.shtml
that is what I meant too…
thanks for the advice!
that is very true, thanks
Purportedly Satan asked for 100 years to test Jesus’ Church, to attempt to destroy it, and this request was granted. He asked for and was given the 100 years of the twentieth century. It is longer than 100 years because it was shortened.
I stopped taking the response seriously right after that line.
Since you state that shortening a time period makes it longer, I’m afraid I don’t see you even have the right to say the word ‘clock’.
Confluences have happened before too. Surely there was great falling away during the Enlightenment and revolutions that followed.
You forget that earthquakes have always been happening. It only happens in this day and age that we are more aware due to advanced communications technology. I doubt the rising atheists of the enlightenment were aware of, for instance, the 1703 Genroku Earthquake.
Private revelations are hardly binding and the Holy See has yet, if ever, to make a definitive declaration predicting the end times. It’s the wiser course of action really. We wouldn’t want the Holy Father in the same boat as Harold Camping.
You really should review your history. Atheists have been around since the time of Epicurus. Homosexuality was a norm in Greece and polygamy thrived in many other ancient empires.
Yet that makes any period objectively less depraved in light of Natural Law? I don’t think so. Natural law applies to everybody, Christian or no.
Sorry but experience on this site and with a few nasty books regarding Marian apparitions have told me to never even consider them unless they produce nothing short of a Vatican approval. Try something else.
Homosexuality exists and has existed. It exists and existed in Greece but is not and was not considered normative. As far as I know, there is no documentation found showing homosexuals were ‘married’ at a public ceremony with friends and relatives in attendance in ancient Greece, followed by or preceded by celebration. It is a myth that just because it existed that it was ever considered ‘normal’. The thriving of polygamy does not make it correct; the Aztecs cut the hearts out of living sacrifices at the top of their pyramid altar; the Canaanites sacrificed their children to Baal.
I see it would be a waste of time to explain it since you wouldn’t believe it. The only thing that comes to mind is what Blessed Mary reportedly said, " Pray to understand the signs of the times. This is a special time."
Some of them have happened before but not all of these that we are seeing this time around. What signs do you expect people to see when the end times do come - those signs Jesus spoke of when He said when you see these things, look up?
I don’t forget. I said it is too early, even with the surprising 5.8 DC quake and the large earthquakes and tsunamis of the past few years, to say if these are that sign. I suspect it is, but to say one more time, it is too early to know.
Fatima is approved. Can you kindly tell me why God ‘did’ Fatima, what is that all about?