Regarding whether or not I am in the Wrong

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I masturbate daily because I am bored and stressed. The book of laws never states the word “masturbation” verbatim, so I am not in the wrong.

Thoughts? It is a sexual expression (or an attempt at honoring physique), as my eyes only see quality, beautiful art on DeviantArt (porn is disgusting, sexually suggestive content is almost vulgar, and blatant expressions of breasts is not art as identified). It is perhaps a preparation for seeing my betrothed, and not gawking at her body. (I “avoid” nudity “in general” as of now).
 
You say your are Catholic right? And the Catholic faith has stated that masturbation is wrong and immoral because ANYTIME you ejaculate outside of your wife’s vagina is a mortal sin. So yes, you are wrong. If you are Catholic you should want to stay within it’s teachings and preserve your heart and soul from sin.
 
You are presently wrong.

Now, if we are Catholic, we also believe in the Magisterium of the Church. We base this on scripture, how Christ rose from the dead, said all authority in heaven and earth had been given to him. He turned to Peter, had changed his name from Simon, to mean “Rock” on which he would establish his Church, that the gates of hell would not prevail against it.

Christ gave Peter authority, in Christ’s absence, the keys to the kingdom. Christ said that whatever Peter held bound would be held bound in heaven, as well. What Peter loosed on earth would be loosed in heaven. Christ asked Peter, 3 times, and him alone to shepherd the Church. Christ said Peter would need to go back later to strengthen his bretheren.

Christ gave the apostles special authority and power, breathing on them, saying to them, and them alone, to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, that what they forgave would be forgiven. He sent the apostles out saying that whomever rejected them, rejected Christ. Whomever rejected Christ, rejected him who sent Christ…God the Father.

Now, when Judas committed suicide, he was replaced by Matthew. The apostles had what we would now call “offices”, and we believe these offices were divinely inspired. So, we Catholics believe that the Catholic Church had authority to make whatever rules and laws it found necessary to function then, and in the future, in a global Church.

One of the things which the Catholic Church has come up with is the Catechism of the Catholic Church. If you are Catholic, in order to be a good, practicing Catholic, you must adhere to what the Church teaches, as well.

Masturbation was mentioned as the sin of Onan in the Bible, as well. However, the Church elaborates on that position, clarifying it.

See below for what the Church really says on masturbation and pornography and why:

Scroll down to 2325 & 2354

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

I think some begin masturbation and pornography for a lot of reasons…loneliness, boredom, stress, but still, we are to seek solutions to those issues outside of self pleasuring.

We are temples of the Holy Spirit, created in the image and likeness of God, and God has made it clear he considers masturbation and pornography beneath our dignity. We are made in the divine image and are to adhere to only the highest standards, even if we are surrounded by a culture which accepts this, we are not to follow these customs. “…because everybody else is doing it” is not an acceptable excuse.

It’s easy to turn inward, but we are to use these kinds of expressions towards loving expressions, with a spouse. This is a violation of the 6th commandment.
 
Do not murder?! What?!

I once had relations with my betrothed, and it was the only time I had an orgasm (at the time, I have on good account, that I was sterile). As it turns out, orgasm is impossible outside of marital relations, therefore there is no sperm, or it is sterile. Onan, as it may be said (I am not sure), had relations, then withdrew, a fatal flaw, unless he was with a whore. As it seems, he was with his wife. Thank God I am not him.
 
You said you had sexual relations with your betrothed. See also…fornication:

Scroll down to 2353

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

I have known SO many people who say they are “engaged”, “betrothed”, who go in and out of sexual relationships, never committing.

The Bible DOES speak about fornication:

1 Corinthian 6:9-10

Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes* nor sodomites
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nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers** will inherit the kingdom of God.**
 
Here’s a trip. I’ve been fortunate enough to experience one, sterile orgasm. But there’s the trip. You can only give off sperm if you hit the “g-spot,” and that can only occur when the woman’s fallopian tube is prepared to give off an ovum. So while woman experience more “orgasms” than men, though in my case, it’s debatable. Basically, the beauty of child-birth is carefully constructed.

So goodness knows I experienced an orgasm because my betrothed communicated she had, or was prepared to. Goodness knows she’s had only one orgasm, though she is not, to my knowledge, pregnant.

Back in the day, I “turned on” (er, aroused) many women with my faculties.
 
My mistake, and my regard, I never had “sex” with her, and even if I did, she is my betrothed.
 
Flimmy said:
Here’s a trip. I’ve been fortunate enough to experience one, sterile orgasm. But there’s the trip. You can only give off sperm if you hit the “g-spot,” and that can only occur when the woman’s fallopian tube is prepared to give off an ovum. So while woman experience more “orgasms” than men, though in my case, it’s debatable. Basically, the beauty of child-birth is carefully constructed.

So goodness knows I experienced an orgasm because my betrothed communicated she had, or was prepared to. Goodness knows she’s had only one orgasm, though **she is not, to my knowledge, pregnant.
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Back in the day, I “turned on” many women with my faculties.
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Fact, takes only ONE sperm to fertilize an egg!

You’re not sure if she’s pregnant?

I think you need to review physiology. Your girlfriend CAN get pregnant even if you miss the g-spot!
 
Well, I was sterile.
ClearWater said:
I think you need to review physiology. Your girlfriend CAN get pregnant even if you miss the g-spot!
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Physiology, whatever. Let me clarify – feels a “g-spot.”

Some women, sterile for years in the Bible… hm. Some call it an immaculate conception.
 
It doesn’t matter, the sex or whatever it was, was not unitive by ejaculating inside your “WIFE” not betrothed. You must ejaculate during vaginal intercourse within marriage for sex to be both procreative and unitive.
 
Flimmy said:
Well, I was sterile.

Physiology, whatever. Let me clarify – feels a “g-spot.”

Some women, sterile for years in the Bible… hm. Some call it an immaculate conception.
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Why do you believe you’re sterile? Did you have an operation?
 
Flimmy, your understanding of all of this is biologically incorrect. Orgasm is not physically impossible outside of marital relations and ejaculation can lead to pregnancy whether or not the woman has an orgasm.
 
Flimmy said:
Well, I was sterile.

Physiology, whatever. Let me clarify – feels a “g-spot.”

Some women, sterile for years in the Bible… hm. Some call it an** immaculate conception**.
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Mary is the Immaculate Conception, because she was conceived without original sin.
 
No, I’ve just masturbated thousands of times. But that isn’t even the reason. I call myself sterile because I do not provoke myself to give off sperm. It would be impossible. I don’t even know how.

I am probably a scary person in person if I wanted to be.

Yes, the truth, thank you.
Isca said:
Flimmy, your understanding of all of this is biologically incorrect. Orgasm is not physically impossible outside of marital relations and ejaculation can lead to pregnancy whether or not the woman has an orgasm.
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Oh, we have defined the woman orgasm. It is the “g-spot.” It must feel good.

You are correct, and those who have orgasm’ed outside of marital relations are… well, died a second death. That is very specific because they may have not gone to hell. I had to masturbate thousands of times, and even orgasm once outside of a woman’s body to show it was impossible for me to kill myself, by doing things they purportedly killed themselves with. Therefore I fulfilled the law, in this regard, in this era of life, specifically in fornication.
 
Flimmy said:
Here’s a trip. I’ve been fortunate enough to experience one, sterile orgasm. But there’s the trip.** You can only give off sperm if you hit the “g-spot,” and that can only occur when the woman’s fallopian tube is prepared to give off an ovum**. So while woman experience more “orgasms” than men, though in my case, it’s debatable. Basically, the beauty of child-birth is carefully constructed.

So goodness knows I experienced an orgasm because my betrothed communicated she had, or was prepared to. Goodness knows she’s had only one orgasm, though she is not, to my knowledge, pregnant.

Back in the day, I “turned on” (er, aroused) many women with my faculties.
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Men typically give off sperm even before ejaculation.

Women are fertile, typically, for a few days every month.

However, none of this is really relevant, anyway, from the perspective of sin, at least. Whether you, she, or both, are fertile or not, has no bearing on the sinfulness of the action. It is sinful, regardless. We are to save intimacy for marriage, because marriage is a sacrament, holy, sacred…or supposed to be.

The sacrament of marriage is a covenant, like the covenant between God and Abraham. We are to be faithful to our spouses, not be intimate outside of marriage for many very good reasons, practical ones, besides all the above.
 
Flimmy said:
No, I’ve just masturbated thousands of times. But that isn’t even the reason. I call myself sterile because I do not provoke myself to give off sperm. It would be impossible. I don’t even know how.

Yes, the truth, thank you.
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You can’t control whether or not you produce sperm. Sperm are released in the seminal fluid when you ejaculate. There are few men who produce no sperm - even ‘infertile’ men usually produce live sperm, just in smaller quantities and/or less motile than those produced by fertile men.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I wouldn’t want you to continue thinking as you are now!
 
If I wasn’t fertile, I didn’t spill my seed. I simply gave off semen. I must be one of the few.

Why not? Is it dangerous?
 
Flimmy said:
No, I’ve just masturbated thousands of times. But that isn’t even the reason.** I call myself sterile because I do not provoke myself to give off sperm. It would be impossible. I don’t even know how.**

I am probably a scary person in person if I wanted to be.

Yes, the truth, thank you.

Oh, we have defined the woman orgasm. It is the “g-spot.” It must feel good.

You are correct, and those who have orgasm’ed outside of marital relations are… well, died a second death. That is very specific because they may have not gone to hell. I had to masturbated thousands of times, and even orgasm once outside of a woman’s body to show it was impossible for me to kill myself, by doing things they purportadely killed themselves with. Therefore I fulfilled the law, in this regard, in this era of life, specifically in masturbation.
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I don’t think you’re sterile unless you had surgery or something. You are producing sperm unless something is wrong with you, which I doubt. You don’t need to “know how” to produce sperm. Many a man has become a father knowing nothing about how any of this works!
 
I don’t have sex with women. Those who have truly had sex with women (not their betrothed) (or outside of the law!) have died the second death, but may have patient in their forthcoming life, where they would not let go of “God’s hand.” Patience is a virtue.
 
Flimmy said:
If I wasn’t fertile, I didn’t spill my seed. I simply gave off semen.

Why not? Is it dangerous?
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You are saying then that you have been tested, your semen has been examined and you have been told by a doctor that you are not capable of fathering a child?
 
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