"Registering the poor to vote is Un-American"

[exnihilo]

Personally, I would like to see a more parliamentarian system in which more interests are represented. Let the Tea Party have its share of representation, and let the Green’s have theirs. Then instead of a deadlocked two party system, compromise and negotiation would be required.

Though I dont believe in democracy or the masses being able to vote I will say that would be an improvement. The Senate as reconstructed makes no sense. In the days of a confederacy they represented the state’s interest. Today they are just one big statewide district and fairly useless when you have the House. Make the Senate somehow represent party votes across the country so the Tea Party, Green, Libertarian etc could actually have some representation. The only problem is the two parties are so entrenched it will never happen so long as the current government has authority. They would lose power under that system and both parties care more about their power then their proclaimed ideologies.

But I would welcome deadlocking. I love it when the government gets nothing done. What it gets done is almost always terrible no matter what party it comes from. Power never relinquishes control so anything that is accomplished is more power in the hands of politicians and less in the hands of the people.

 

[davidmlamb]

Speaking of “wake up”, the “next Holocaust” isn’t in the future, it is right now. 50 million unborn children have been slaughtered just in this country since Roe v Wade, a disproportionate number of them poor and minority. Guess which side of the political spectrum is drenched in their blood?

I hear this type of argument all the time and what you are really saying is that because abortion is legal and has caused the deaths of millions of innocent lives we must ignore, do nothing and show indifference to other intrinsic evils until abortion is resolved. The Church teaches us that it is evil to use abortion as a means to ignore, promote, or show indifference to other social issues regarding human life and human dignity. This is exactly what you are doing here. If a “pro life” person will use abortion to ignore or show indifference to other social issues regarding human life and human dignity then they will do nothing about abortion.

SURPRIZE! SURPRIZE! The GOP has done NOTHING about abortion except to use the issue as a means to get elected. However, the GOP has managed to give tax cuts to the wealthy and transfer the power of government to Big Business and the corporate rich. This brings us right back to my warning. If you think abortion is bad and you are middle class with a modest income or less fortunate social circumstances, you better be prepared for conditions to get so far more worse it will make the current situation seem like a Disneyland Vacation.

THE government is not forcing women to abort their babies, the mothers of the unborn freely choose to kill their children. But the current political trend exploits abortion to accelerate towards a government supported by a people that place the value of material gain over human life and human dignity to the point where the poor, the vulnerable and the weak will indirectly become forcibly euthanized by deliberate social neglect.

We are already seeing it happen, for example, the 100 poor Arizona citizens whose lives are dependent on organ transplants had this Medicaid benefit cut because it was seen as a burden to tax payers. These poor and vulnerable lives have now had their death warrant signed by “pro life” governor Jan Brewer! Moreover, we hear and see the growing rhetoric that Democracy is now a tyranny because it allows the poor to vote for candidates who will burden tax payers by “forcing” them to pay for social services and public benefits.

Another example, the rampant propaganda that the new health care law which was designed to expand health care coverage to 50 million more human lives and eliminate pre condition health care discrimination to millions more, is instead stealing tax payers money. This has lead to the ongoing effort to REPEAL “Obama Care” returning to the old system that caused the death of tens of thousand human lives each year by deliberate neglect and discrimination for the benefit of shareholders and corporate wealth as well as saving the wealthy from the “tyranny” of taxation.

All these things are being perpetrated by the spirit of right wing conservatism and its ongoing propaganda dominates talk radio, the “Christian” media, as well as the media giant Fox News. This is how tyranny always rises to power, by propaganda. Right wing conservatism is really unbridled liberalism that rejects temperance for indulgence, the love of neighbor for materialism and individualism, corporate monopolies over labor unions, and exchanging the Lord Jesus Christ as the incarnate eternal God and Creator for the deity of mammon.

All this is intrinsic evil masquerading as an angel of light and is the root cause of a growing culture that despises and rejects the weak, the poor working class, and the vulnerable as public burdens who should be stripped of their natural rights and neglected to a life of oppression and despair and ultimately an early death.

Catholics MUST reject right wing conservatism and embrace Catholic Social Justice teaching’s. When a Catholic votes they must use a prudential judgment by virtue of prudence taking into consideration the possible and the correct pathway to gradually restore justice. I will point out that every country in the world has some provisions for abortion and yet if we combine Europe, the UK, Japan, the Scandinavian countries, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand they do not have the numbers of abortion that we have. That is because social conditions exists in those countries that encourage choosing life over abortion. If we are truly pro life we will elect leaders that will create social conditions that encourage women to keep and raise their babies.

We are NOT truly pro life if we the people who form a more perfect union that includes life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, create social conditions that allow children to grow up in an impoverished environment of despair and hopelessness. This makes them vulnerable to all kinds of social evils including drugs and gang violence, teenaged pregnancy and abortion. Moreover, these social conditions of despair will further lead their unborn children to a poor education with no encouragement and mentoring to inspire them to gain a higher education that leads to viable job skills.

Impoverished pregnant women need social conditions which can break a perpetual cycle of despair, poverty and dependency. Children growing up in welfare states like Germany and France are far more likely to go to college or a trade school and gain viable job skills then children growing up in the US. Consequently they are far more likely to live free and dignified lives of hope and happiness then children of a country that gives tax breaks to the rich at the expense of the working poor and their unborn children.

In the Service of Christ and His Church,

David

 

[didymus]

As incredible as it may seem, there are educated and wealthy people who think that Fox News is an unbiased news source. Does this mean that they should not be allowed to vote?

Personally, I would like to see a more parliamentarian system in which more interests are represented. Let the Tea Party have its share of representation, and let the Green’s have theirs. Then instead of a deadlocked two party system, compromise and negotiation would be required.

Well, we would need a whole new Constitution to get a parliament but proportional representation might go a long way toward breaking the two-in-one party system. And abolish the campaign finance “reforms” that only serve to keep new competition out.

 

[Rock_Happy]

Though I dont believe in democracy or the masses being able to vote I will say that would be an improvement. The Senate as reconstructed makes no sense. In the days of a confederacy they represented the state’s interest. Today they are just one big statewide district and fairly useless when you have the House. Make the Senate somehow represent party votes across the country so the Tea Party, Green, Libertarian etc could actually have some representation. The only problem is the two parties are so entrenched it will never happen so long as the current government has authority. They would lose power under that system and both parties care more about their power then their proclaimed ideologies.

But I would welcome deadlocking. I love it when the government gets nothing done. What it gets done is almost always terrible no matter what party it comes from. Power never relinquishes control so anything that is accomplished is more power in the hands of politicians and less in the hands of the people.

We live in a world of LARGE corporate interests who would rape and pillage. As much as I hate to say it, the only opposing force to protect the individual is the government. Naked capitalism on a large scale must be regulated, or it first consumes the consumers, and then itself, as we have seen recently.

 

[exnihilo]

We live in a world of LARGE corporate interests who would rape and pillage. As much as I hate to say it, the only opposing force to protect the individual is the government. Naked capitalism on a large scale must be regulated, or it first consumes the consumers, and then itself, as we have seen recently.

That doesn’t really make sense to me. Corporations are created by the state. They are children of the state. The state gives them *all *the power they have. The study of economics shows that big corporations gain most from the government. They use the government to write expensive regulations that only they can afford to uphold and thus prevent any new competition. The corporations write all the regulations. Despite all the regulation the US has been piling on for a hundred years all ever hear is we need still more. At a certain point when the tactic has not worked you reassess it. The idea that government will somehow do the will of the people has been pretty well exposed as wishful thinking. The corporations tell you who you are going to vote for and what the issues are anyway. GE, a huge government contractor, doesn’t own NBC for no reason.

 

[Rock_Happy]

That doesn’t really make sense to me. Corporations are created by the state. They are children of the state. The state gives them *all *the power they have. The study of economics shows that big corporations gain most from the government. They use the government to write expensive regulations that only they can afford to uphold and thus prevent any new competition. The corporations write all the regulations. Despite all the regulation the US has been piling on for a hundred years all ever hear is we need still more. At a certain point when the tactic has not worked you reassess it. The idea that government will somehow do the will of the people has been pretty well exposed as wishful thinking. The corporations tell you who you are going to vote for and what the issues are anyway. GE, a huge government contractor, doesn’t own NBC for no reason.

The challenge, in my opinion, is that large corporations are more nimble at exploiting opportunities then government is at recognizing looming harm. An easy example is programmed trading in the stock market. The large financial players can manipulate the market with their large computers and mathematicians. It wasn’t tell after a lot of damage was done to other investors that the government realized that it needed to be regulated.

On the other hand, I think we have too many regulations and laws. Sometimes I think that legislators should be required to repeal two laws or regulations every time they create a new one, for a while.