Reincarnation as hint of purgatory?

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Well, seeing as how Jewish & Hasidic beliefs have been dragged in here, I thought that I would add the following, while resisting the temptation to respond to Ghosty (🙂 ) regarding texts, canons and the utterly irrelevant views of the Sadducee and Essene heretics (OK, I un-resisted a little!).

A rabbi whose Shabbat (what we call the Sabbath) lesson I used to go to in our old neighborhood referred to Ecclesiastes 12:7.
“And the dust returns to the earth as it was and the spirit returns to God who gave it.”
He said that this verse is definitive. The spirit will return to God, it can be sooner (after relatively few cycles, maybe even one for very rare & exceptional individuals) or it can be later (after very many cycles), it all depends on us. We were discussing Deuteronomy 21:22-23. My rabbi said that the person who was thus executed needed the awful spiritual purgative/corrective of execution & being hung up afterwards to atone for what he had done & spare his soul from being pushed further away from returning to God and from terrible tribulations in the next world.

Being recycled could also be a blessing. God might, in His mercy, afford a soul that had some spiritual blot, another cycle in order to gain merit by being kindly, giving to charity, doing good deeds, etc. We believe that God wants more than anything that an errant soul repent of his/her evil ways and will afford that soul ample opportunity, whether in one cycle or in many, to do so.

But while Reincarnation is accepted in Judaism, it doesn’t get much emphasis. This is for two reasons. First, it is part of kabbalah (esoteric Jewish mysticism), which is, quite properly, the province of very few. Only the most pious, learned & saintly need delve into kabbalah. (That chain of “Kabbalah Centers” has as much to do with real kabbala as a Twinkie has to do with real pastry.) (See jewfaq.org/kabbalah.htm.) Second, it is not particularly relevant to an orthodox Jew’s everyday life. There are a zillion and one spiritual things that are far more relevant to my daily life as an orthodox Jew than idle speculation on what I may or may not have done in a previous cycle (the Hebrew word is “gilgul”). As an orthodox Jew, I need to study, and live according to, the Torah, and do good in the world, in the here-and-now, regardless of what I may or may not have done in a previous gilgul. I have obligations & responsibilities that bind me now, right here & it is on those that I have to concentrate.

The first letter in the Bible (in the original Hebrew), i.e. the first letter in the Book of Genesis, is a “bet” (which is actually the second letter of the Hebrew alphabet). It is shaped like a squared-off C, but opening to the left. (See jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm.) Thus, it is closed on three sides (top, bottom & right) and open on only one, left. Hebrew (like Arabic & Aramaic) reads from right-to-left, which means that left represents forward (while right represents backward). Our Sages say that the Torah begins with a “bet” because it is telling us that we should not concern ourselves with what is above (the “bet” is closed there), what is below (it’s closed there too), or what came before (closed again), rather we must look forward (the “bet” is open that way).

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I cite jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm#Resurrection:
Resurrection and Reincarnation

Belief in the eventual resurrection of the dead is a fundamental belief of traditional Judaism. It was a belief that distinguished the Pharisees (intellectual ancestors of Rabbinical Judaism) from the Sadducees. The Sadducees rejected the concept, because it is not explicitly mentioned in the Torah. The Pharisees found the concept implied in certain verses.

Belief in resurrection of the dead is one of Rambam’s 13 Principles of Faith. The second blessing of the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, which is recited three times daily, contains several references to resurrection. (Note: the Reform movement, which apparently rejects this belief, has rewritten the second blessing accordingly).

The resurrection of the dead will occur in the messianic age, a time referred to in Hebrew as the Olam Ha-Ba, the World to Come, but that term is also used to refer to the spiritual afterlife. When the messiah comes to initiate the perfect world of peace and prosperity, the righteous dead will be brought back to life and given the opportunity to experience the perfected world that their righteousness helped to create. The wicked dead will not be resurrected.

There are some mystical schools of thought that believe resurrection is not a one-time event, but is an ongoing process. The souls of the righteous are reborn in to continue the ongoing process of tikkun olam, mending of the world. Some sources indicate that reincarnation is a routine process, while others indicate that it only occurs in unusual circumstances, where the soul left unfinished business behind. Belief in reincarnation is also one way to explain the traditional Jewish belief that every Jewish soul in history was present at Sinai and agreed to the covenant with G-d. (Another explanation: that the soul exists before the body, and these unborn souls were present in some form at Sinai). Belief in reincarnation is commonly held by many Chasidic sects, as well as some other mystically-inclined Jews. See, for example Reincarnation Stories from Chasidic Tradition ([pinenet.com/~rooster/stories.html.)](http://www.pinenet.com/~rooster/stories.html)).
Regarding the verses in Torah in which reincarnation is implied, see Deuteronomy 29:13-14, Job 33:28-30 and all of the verses referring to levirate marriage (such as Deuteronomy 25:5-10). See aish.com/literacy/concepts/Reincarnation_and_Jewish_Tradition.asp, aish.com/rabbi/ATR_browse.asp?s=reincarnation&f=tqak&offset=1 & aish.com/shavuotthemes/shavuotthemesdefault/Ruth_and_Reincarnation.asp.
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stillsmallvoice:
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Be well!

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SSV,

Sounds good to me. I studied some Chabad Lubavitch history, and discovered they held to some form of gilgul’ism. And it seems like some Jewish thinkers have reconciled resurrection with reincarnation.

I come from a Hindu/Vedic perspective, and I agree that reincarnation is really a side-issue (at best; a distraction, at worst) for most of us who are trying to walk God’s path.

Thanks for the links.
 
Reincarnation is not Biblical nor is it Catholic.

**Upon death you go to either Heaven, Hell or Purgatory! **

You do not come back !
 
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Ahimsa:
I wonder if any of the Catholics here have wondered whether the Hindu and Buddhist idea of reincarnation/rebirth might be a (less-than-perfect) version of the idea of purgatory? In reincarnation/rebirth, the idea is that you continue to be reincarnated/rebirthed until you are sufficiently purified/enlightened/graced – then, you are free of cycle of birth and death and are able to fully experience God.

This reminds me (not in all details, of course) with the idea of purgatory, where one is purified until one is ready for the Beatific Vision.
There is no Scriptural basis for either
 
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