Reincarnation Reasons Pro or Con?

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Ahimsa:
It’s not clear that animals truly lack the capability to make choices. Certainly in the case of chimpanzees, elephants, dolphins, probably birds and reptiles as well, I haven’t seen any evidence that these animals in particular lack the ability to make choices. If we take evolution seriously, then we would not assume that animals do not have some degree of awareness and the ability to make a choice.
Ahimsa
But what about conscious moral choices? Can bacteria or protozoans (which are likewise “alive” and hence animals) morally choose not to infect another animal with cholera or sleeping sickness? Can roundworms and tapeworms not choose to parasitically infest your intestinal system ? Can snakes not choose to bite innocent children whose only fault is to probably step upon them accidentally? What then is moral or immoral to them.

Gerry
 
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RobedWithLight:
It also conflicts with Christianity this way.

If suppose we assume that Reincarnation is true and likewise the Resurrection is also true. If suppose at the last Judgment a person has already been reincarnated 100,000 times, therefore it means he has already inhabited 100,000 bodies. Now, which among those physical bodies would be resurrected on the day of judgment? All of them? Some of them? With which physical body would he be reunited finally, and what would happen to the other 99,999 physical bodies which he would not be reunited with in the last day?

These two doctrines are so diametrically opposed that this absurdity is one of its unfortunate consequences.

Gerry 🙂
Hi Gerry,

I agree that this absurdity is a major problem. But as I was watching the movie “Little Buddha” (starring the inimitable Keanu Reeves as the Buddha himself), I was sort of surprised to find out that in Tibetan Buddhism, it is possible for a single individual to reincarnate as more than one person. (I say “sort of surprised” since I’ve long since ceased to be surprised at what I find hidden within the nooks and crannies of Tibetan Buddhism:rolleyes:.)

In any event, I was wondering and proposing this scenario: Let’s say you live through 100 lives. Which one gets resurrected? Well, all of them get resurrected (into either a physical or glorified body, according to one’s interpretation of St. Paul). If at the end of the reincarnation process, you find God (lets say, through the Church), then when you die, all of your preceding body/souls (since body and soul are one unit) are resurrected.

The problem here, of course, is how to explain eternal damnation. Well, one possibility is that to remain in the reincarnation cycle is to be damned – unless, by grace, one is liberated from it, and then resurrected in a glorified physical body.

What about the Final Judgment then? Perhaps God allows the reincarnation process until the Final Day of Judgment. If you haven’t gotten right with God by then, then it’s too late: reincarnation ends and you’re spending eternity in hell – and not just you, but all of your previous reincarnation body/souls. If you find God before Judgement Day, then not only does your presently living body become resurrected, but all the body/souls of your previous lives become resurrected.

One problem would be the precise relationship between you (your body and soul as it exists in this lifetime) and your previous incarnations (your bodies and souls of previous lives). One solution is to take a Buddhist solution: your previous incarnations are neither you, nor are they not you. That is, some sort of spiritual link connects all of your incarnations in some deep way, but all of them are separate body/souls, each of which is born once, and dies once. However, each body/soul has a chance to get right with God. If it fails, then it somehow gets connected to a new body/soul that will be born in the future. This new body/soul then lives, and if it gets right with God, its success will not only help it alone, but it will also help all the previous body/souls who were linked to it, but who failed to achieve salvation.

In other words, all of your previous incarnations are counting on you to get right with God.

OK, that’s my theory, and I may not necessarily stick to it!😉

Ahimsa
 
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RobedWithLight:
But what about conscious moral choices? Can bacteria or protozoans (which are likewise “alive” and hence animals) morally choose not to infect another animal with cholera or sleeping sickness? Can roundworms and tapeworms not choose to parasitically infest your intestinal system ? Can snakes not choose to bite innocent children whose only fault is to probably step upon them accidentally? What then is moral or immoral to them.

Gerry
I would say that if someone is reincarnated as a tapeworm, then they should be the best tapeworm they can be! Only in America can a tapeworm go from a lowly one-celled parasite to the CEO of a major intestine.😃

Ahimsa
 
It also conflicts with Christianity this way.

If suppose we assume that Reincarnation is true and likewise the Resurrection is also true. If suppose at the last Judgment a person has already been reincarnated 100,000 times, therefore it means he has already inhabited 100,000 bodies. Now, which among those physical bodies would be resurrected on the day of judgment? All of them? Some of them? With which physical body would he be reunited finally, and what would happen to the other 99,999 physical bodies which he would not be reunited with in the last day?

These two doctrines are so diametrically opposed that this absurdity is one of its unfortunate consequences.

Gerry 🙂
Bodily resurrection concept does’nt exist in hinduism.The soul continues to take new bodies until it is freed from cycle of rebirths.
The bodies that were shed before don’t matter.
 
RobedWithLight,

The fact that there are more human beings alive would only mean that more souls are being born on earth, and that these souls (which would be infinite in number) are coming from other planes of existence (hellish, heavenly, or perhaps even divine realms). Some of these souls might even be coming from animal or plant realms (in a process of spiritual evolution of sorts).

Ahimsa
Quite right.

Your fiend
Sufjon
 
Hi Gerry,

What about the Final Judgment then? Perhaps God allows the reincarnation process until the Final Day of Judgment. If you haven’t gotten right with God by then, then it’s too late: reincarnation ends and you’re spending eternity in hell – and not just you, but all of your previous reincarnation body/souls. If you find God before Judgement Day, then not only does your presently living body become resurrected, but all the body/souls of your previous lives become resurrected.

Ahimsa
Hi Ahisma: I too considered this possibility for a long time, but then I recalled that Lord Krishna did tell Arjuna that “you will attain me.” I have always considered that to mean that it is only a matter of time until each creature makes it. Krishna also told Arjuna that there has never been a time when we did not exist and there will never be a time when we cease to be, so I have taken that to mean that there is no “last day” in a collective sense. Rather, I have seen the last day as being a one by one event, wherein each person comes to the realization of the Self and the cycle ends for them. Of course, this is only how I understand it, so what are your thoughts on that possibility?

Your friend
Sufjon
 
Actually their position is that your life story will present you with the opportunity once again to make better choices. Since it is a choice, remembering would only conflict with the purpose of your free will to be presented with options and choose for yourself.

**Better choices…any of you wish you could of made better choices…I do…but then I don’t believe in reincarnation due to the Church’s position against it…but don’t you some times wonder what if?

stormy**

Their response would be that all people do not come back in each era of the world; so all of them would not be present at all times.

I agree with much of what you said in your post but just wanted to clarify these two points.
 
I didn’t know that. Can you tell me what the Eastern Orthodox believe?
They do not believe in Purgatory, saying it was a Roman Catholic speculation. There is no military hierarchy in Orthodoxy, no one center which proscribes what is to be believed in. That freedom in Orthodoxy takes toll in different understandings even on important theological issues. Purgatory is not a part of Orthodox dogma. But opinion on what exactly happens after death seem to evolve as time goes by. Contemporary theologians tend to say that there is no Heaven and Hell, at least not as they are popularly being imagined. Instead, there is something like one single Kingdom of Heaven, where Heaven will be experienced in love of Christ, and same that love would be like Hell for those who can not take it, or stand it. So it appears that Heaven and Hell are states of the mind, rather then geographical places. People may be standing next to each other and one would experience Heaven and the other would be in Hell.
 
They do not believe in Purgatory, saying it was a Roman Catholic speculation. There is no military hierarchy in Orthodoxy, no one center which proscribes what is to be believed in. That freedom in Orthodoxy takes toll in different understandings even on important theological issues. Purgatory is not a part of Orthodox dogma. But opinion on what exactly happens after death seem to evolve as time goes by. Contemporary theologians tend to say that there is no Heaven and Hell, at least not as they are popularly being imagined. Instead, there is something like one single Kingdom of Heaven, where Heaven will be experienced in love of Christ, and same that love would be like Hell for those who can not take it, or stand it. So it appears that Heaven and Hell are states of the mind, rather then geographical places. People may be standing next to each other and one would experience Heaven and the other would be in Hell.
Thanks miodrag1963: That’s fascinating! It sounds very mystical and sensible as well. Not that others aren’t sensible, but you know what I mean - it works well with reason.

Your friend
Sufjon
 
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