Reincarnation/second coming

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forgive me if this has been answered before. is it sinful/wrong to believe that the second coming of christ might be in the form of some kind of reincarnation? sort of like a second virgin birth.

does the bible or official church doctrine describe how the second coming will look when its happening?

i dont really have any beliefs about this, i just wanna hear someone wiser than me about this subjects thoughts about it.
 
It’s doctrinally incorrect.

Jesus’s second coming is NOT a reincarnation.

There was only one incarnation. And Christ IS the incarnation of God in Man.

How can perfection be perfected?

How can the incarnation be re-done a second time?
 
Jesus Christ resucitated from the dead, which means that HE is ALIVE.

An alive person does not need to be reborn. HE allready went through that process.

Further more HE Himself told HOW HE would come back. In all HIS glory accompanied by the hosts of Angels at HIS command.

 
It won’t be a reincarnation. On the day that the Second Coming happens everyone in the world will know. Jesus will be visible in the sky surrounded by angels on a cloud. But if someone believes before this that Jesus’s Second Coming can be in the form of a reincarnation they can easily be deceived by any dangerous cult leader who falsely claims to be Jesus reincarnated.
 
Matthew 24:because the coming of the Son of man will be like lightning striking in the east and flashing far into the west.
 
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Might I ask you all, how do you know that John the Baptist was the return of the Prophet Elijah?

If he was not the return of Prophet Elijah, then Jesus was not the Messiah, one of the reasons why Jews rejected Jesus. What makes it so?

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Might I ask you all, how do you know that John the Baptist was the return of the Prophet Elijah?

If he was not the return of Prophet Elijah, then Jesus was not the Messiah, one of the reasons why Jews rejected Jesus. What makes it so?
Here’s how EWTN’s Fr. John Echert answered this question:

Elijah - John the Baptist Question from Donna Marie on 1/6/2002
Is John the Baptist really Elijah? Question from Sharon Schultz on 2/18/2008


And here is what it says about it in the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible:

11:10 Behold, I send: John the Baptist’s ministry recalls Mal 3:1 (Sir 48:9-10). As in Is 40:3 (Mt 3:3), this messenger is also the Lord’s forerunner. Malachi’s prophesies associate the Lord’s forerunner with Elijah, the great prophet of the OT (Mal 4:5). Jesus views John as this prophet, who preaches repentance to Israel in the “spirit” of Elijah (Lk 1:17) and offers God’s faithful remnant a final opportunity for salvation (11:15). Even John’s clothing recalls Elijah’s distinctive dress. (Ignatius Catholic Study Bible)
 
Here’s how EWTN’s Fr. John Echert answered this question:

Elijah - John the Baptist Question from Donna Marie on 1/6/2002
Is John the Baptist really Elijah? Question from Sharon Schultz on 2/18/2008


And here is what it says about it in the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible:

11:10 Behold, I send: John the Baptist’s ministry recalls Mal 3:1 (Sir 48:9-10). As in Is 40:3 (Mt 3:3), this messenger is also the Lord’s forerunner. Malachi’s prophesies associate the Lord’s forerunner with Elijah, the great prophet of the OT (Mal 4:5). Jesus views John as this prophet, who preaches repentance to Israel in the “spirit” of Elijah (Lk 1:17) and offers God’s faithful remnant a final opportunity for salvation (11:15). Even John’s clothing recalls Elijah’s distinctive dress. (Ignatius Catholic Study Bible)
thank you dear friend 🙂

…so if Elijah can return from the “clouds” (from where he ascended) in the form of John the Baptist, why are you so certain that Jesus would not do the same when He returns?

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Might I ask you all, how do you know that John the Baptist was the return of the Prophet Elijah?

If he was not the return of Prophet Elijah, then Jesus was not the Messiah, one of the reasons why Jews rejected Jesus. What makes it so?

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John the Baptist was the last and the greatest prophet of the Old Testament and the reason is simple. He was tasked to trumpet the arrival of the the Christ, the redeamer, the one that would repair the gulf between God and man.

Elijah was considered the greatest prophet by the jews of Jesus’s time.
Jesus specifically rebuked the jews that proposed reincarnation.

 
John the Baptist was the last and the greatest prophet of the Old Testament and the reason is simple. He was tasked to trumpet the arrival of the the Christ, the redeamer, the one that would repair the gulf between God and man.

Elijah was considered the greatest prophet by the jews of Jesus’s time.
Jesus specifically rebuked the jews that proposed reincarnation.

Forgive my lack of understanding here dear friend, but I cannot see how your post answers my question here.

Might I humbly ask you to clarify please?

🙂

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thank you dear friend 🙂
You are welcome.
…so if Elijah can return from the “clouds” (from where he ascended) in the form of John the Baptist, why are you so certain that Jesus would not do the same when He returns?
I’m not sure where you are getting your information. But we don’t deny that Jesus will return on a cloud at His Second Coming.

“then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” - Matthew 24:30
 
You are welcome.

I’m not sure where you are getting your information. But we don’t deny that Jesus will return on a cloud at His Second Coming.

“then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” - Matthew 24:30
Did Elijah return on a cloud to herald the coming of the Messiah?

He was prophecied to by the Jewish prophecies, but He came in the form of John the Baptist. Why did Elijah not return in a physical cloud?

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Did Elijah return on a cloud to herald the coming of the Messiah?

He was prophecied to by the Jewish prophecies, but He came in the form of John the Baptist. Why did Elijah not return in a physical cloud?.
Which Old Testament scripture verse are you referring to?

Anyway, to understand Elijah’s relationship to John the Baptist requires an understanding of biblical typology - how what is hinted at in the Old Testament is a foreshadowing of its fulfillment in the New Testament. Adam, Melchizedek, Moses, Elisha, King David, and King Solomon all had things about them which in some way foreshadowed truths about Jesus, but none of these people were Jesus. So by the same principle of typology, Elijah foreshadowed the coming of John the Baptist.
 
John the Baptist was the last and the greatest prophet of the Old Testament and the reason is simple. He was tasked to trumpet the arrival of the the Christ, the redeamer, the one that would repair the gulf between God and man.

Elijah was considered the greatest prophet by the jews of Jesus’s time.
Jesus specifically rebuked the jews that proposed reincarnation.

I do agree that Jesus will return without being born and being reincarnated (whether it is on clouds remains to be seen)

However, where exactly in the Bible, does Jesus ‘rebuke Jews that proposed reincarnation’?
 
Jesus taught us that we will resucitate from the dead and will have perfected human bodies that will not perish again having conquered death itself.

If Jesus had believed in reincarnation, what purpose would have served the parables HE did teach us? Where HE spoke of the place where the souls of the joust patiently awaited the arrival of the Messiah, the Christ that would finally free them and take them to Heaven?
Luke Chapter 16
16:19 A certain man was wealthy, and he was clothed in purple and in fine linen. And he feasted splendidly every day.
16:20 And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, covered with sores,
16:21 wanting to be filled with the crumbs which were falling from the wealthy man’s table. But no one gave it to him. And even the dogs came and licked his sores.
16:22 Then it happened that the beggar died, and he was carried by the Angels into the bosom of Abraham. Now the wealthy man also died, and he was entombed in Hell.
16:23 Then lifting up his eyes, while he was in torments, he saw Abraham far away, and Lazarus in his bosom.
16:24 And crying out, he said: ‘Father Abraham, take pity on me and send Lazarus, so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water to refresh my tongue. For I am tortured in this fire.’
16:25 And Abraham said to him: ‘Son, recall that you received good things in your life, and in comparison, Lazarus received bad things. But now he is consoled, and truly you are tormented.
16:26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chaos has been established, so that those who might want to cross from here to you are not able, nor can someone cross from there to here.’
16:27 And he said: ‘Then, father, I beg you to send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers,
16:28 so that he may testify to them, lest they also come into this place of torments.’
16:29 And Abraham said to him: ‘They have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them.’
16:30 So he said: ‘No, father Abraham. But if someone were to go to them from the dead, they would repent.’
16:31 But he said to him: ‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe even if someone has resurrected from the dead.’ ”
The resurrection and reincarnation are incompatible, especially when some belief system teach that you can reincarnate into an insect or an animal.

 
Jesus taught us that we will resucitate from the dead and will have perfected human bodies that will not perish again having conquered death itself.

If Jesus had believed in reincarnation, what purpose would have served the parables HE did teach us? Where HE spoke of the place where the souls of the joust patiently awaited the arrival of the Messiah, the Christ that would finally free them and take them to Heaven?

The resurrection and reincarnation are incompatible, especially when some belief system teach that you can reincarnate into an insect or an animal.

Please mention chapter/verse when saying Jesus taught us something.

Where exactly in the Bible does Jesus talk about resurrection? Especially in a way that is incompatible with reincarnation? (I am only talking about reincarnating as a human. I don’t believe in returning as an animal or insect - that is usually called transmigration).
 
Please mention chapter/verse when saying Jesus taught us something.

Where exactly in the Bible does Jesus talk about resurrection? Especially in a way that is incompatible with reincarnation? (I am only talking about reincarnating as a human. I don’t believe in returning as an animal or insect - that is usually called transmigration).
Uhmm:
Matthew Chapter 19
19:28 And Jesus said to them: “Amen I say to you, that at the resurrection, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of his majesty, those of you who have followed me shall also sit on twelve seats, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
19:29 And anyone who has left behind home, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or land, for the sake of my name, shall receive one hundred times more, and shall possess eternal life.
Matthew Chapter 22
22:30 For in the resurrection, they shall neither marry, nor be given in marriage. Instead, they shall be like the Angels of God in heaven.
22:31 But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken by God, saying to you:
22:32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?’ He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
Luke Chapter 14
14:13 But when you prepare a feast, call the poor, the disabled, the lame, and the blind. 14:14 And you will be blessed because they do not have a way to repay you. So then, your recompense will be in the resurrection of the just.”
Luke Chapter 20
20:34 And so, Jesus said to them: “The children of this age marry and are given in marriage.
20:35 Yet truly, those who shall be held worthy of that age, and of the resurrection from the dead, will neither be married, nor take wives.
20:36 For they can no longer die. For they are equal to the Angels, and they are children of God, since they are children of the resurrection.
20:37 For in truth, the dead do rise again, as Moses also showed beside the bush, when he called the Lord: ‘The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 20:38 And so he is not the God of the dead, but of the living. For all are alive to him.”
John Chapter 11
11:21 And then Martha said to Jesus: “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.
11:22 But even now, I know that whatever you will request from God, God will give to you.”
11:23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother shall rise again.”
11:24 Martha said to him, “I know that he shall rise again, at the resurrection on the last day.”
11:25 Jesus said to her: “I am the Resurrection and the Life. Whoever believes in me, even though he has died, he shall live.
11:26 And everyone who lives and believes in me shall not die for eternity. Do you believe this?”
In all these verses Jesus spoke directly about the resurrection. AND HE also speaks of Moises, Eliah and all the profets as been alive. They are not dead and they do not roam the earth.
All the Saints that have gone to Heaven before us are alive in GOD, interceding for us here on earth.

 
Uhmm:

In all these verses Jesus spoke directly about the resurrection. AND HE also speaks of Moises, Eliah and all the profets as been alive. They are not dead and they do not roam the earth.
All the Saints that have gone to Heaven before us are alive in GOD, interceding for us here on earth.

It seems he is talking about life after death. That is not unique to any religion.

Every religion accepts the fact that the soul is immortal and lives after death. I don’t see any mention for or against reincarnation.
 
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