Reincarnation -true or false?

[GEddie]

Personally I believe in reincarnation. Judaism also believes in it & Christianity is essentially an evolved form of Judaism

Some forms of Judaism may teach it, but it is not a feature of Judaism as a whole.

Christianity came from Judaism, but it’s teachings come from our LORD and HE **never ** taught reincarnation.

ICXC NIKA

 

[GEddie]

1. Yes. you’re right.
2. There is a limit in how many times a person can be reincarnaGted; I believe I read where this limit is 10 times. I have never read where this limit is based on the restoration of the Temple.

Good enough.

I only mentioned that because one cannot fulfill **all **the commandments without a temple.

ICXC NIKA

 

[FCEGM]

Elijah came again through John the baptism. There are a few Gospels that mention this but here is one from Matthew 11:11-15

Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. From the days of John the Baptism until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John; and if you are willing to accept it, he is Eli jah who is to come. He who has ears to hear, let him hear

Elijah and John were two different persons who shared the same divinely-given prophetic office. Also, in the narrative of Luke’s Gospel, John the Baptist is still alive when the Transfiguration takes place. So, was John both in prison and on the mountain with Jesus and Moses at the same time? Of course not. The “spirit of Elijah” is merely the prophetic power and character that Elijah (the greatest of all the prophets) possessed; and John the Baptist received this very same prophetic power and character. Keep in mind that the Jews believed (as do we) that Elijah was taken up bodily to heaven, and thus they expected the same Elijah to return as the herald of the Messiah. They did not expect such a herald would come in the spirit and power of Elijah, i.e., John the Baptist who rightly says he is not Elijah returned. The Lord identifies him, though, as Elijah because he fulfills the role of His herald. So, just as many of the Jews didn’t recognize John as one empowered with the same prophetic spirit as Elijah, neither did they recognize the Messiah.

Reincarnation is not a Christian or a Mosaic Jewish belief (it is antithetical to both). John was of the seed of Zechariah and born of Elizabeth; he was a Levite and the descendant of Levitical priests. He was a unique creation of God, distinct from Elijah, who was a Tishbite, and not of Levitical descent. Also, Elijah was assumed into heaven both body and soul. John was born to Elizabeth and developed as a fetus in her womb.

 

[Chantal25]

Mark 8:9-13

The Coming of Elijah

And as they were coming down the mountain, he charged them to tell no one what they had seen, until the Son of man should have risen from the dead. So they kept the matter to themselves, questioning what the rising from the dead meant. And they asked him, "Why do the scribes say that first Eli’jah must come? And he said to them, "Eli’jah does come first to restore all things; and how is it written of the Son of man, that he should suffer many things and be treated with contempt? But I tell you that Eli’jah has come, and they did to him whatever they pleased, as it is written of him."

I don’t meant to start an argument but, it is mentioned in more then one Gospel That John the baptism is Eli’jah. It is true that John deny this but Jesus confirm it later to his disciple. It is written in more then one Gospels.

Anyway, the Catholic church does follow the teaching of Jesus and perhaps a priest could explain this phenomena with John and Eli’jah. And if this is called reincarnation or something else.

Blessing and love

 

[iloveangels]

Elijah came again through John the baptism. There are a few Gospels that mention this but here is one from Matthew 11:11-15

Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. From the days of John the Baptism until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John; and if you are willing to accept it, he is Eli jah who is to come. He who has ears to hear, let him hear

Haven’t you ever heard of TYPOLOGY in Scripture.

It’s a literary device.

 

[FCEGM]

Mark 8:9-13

The Coming of Elijah

And as they were coming down the mountain, he charged them to tell no one what they had seen, until the Son of man should have risen from the dead. So they kept the matter to themselves, questioning what the rising from the dead meant. And they asked him, "Why do the scribes say that first Eli’jah must come? And he said to them, "Eli’jah does come first to restore all things; and how is it written of the Son of man, that he should suffer many things and be treated with contempt? But I tell you that Eli’jah has come, and they did to him whatever they pleased, as it is written of him."

I don’t meant to start an argument but, it is mentioned in more then one Gospel That John the baptism is Eli’jah. It is true that John deny this but Jesus confirm it later to his disciple. It is written in more then one Gospels.

Anyway, the Catholic church does follow the teaching of Jesus and perhaps a priest could explain this phenomena with John and Eli’jah. And if this is called reincarnation or something else.

Blessing and love

There is no phenomona going on except that of the prophetic power God bestowed on Elijah, the greatest prophet of the O.T., being likewise given to St. John the Baptist as he heralds the appearance of the Messiah. Scripture - as I detailed above - demonstrates that this is absolutely not a demonstration of reincarnation of one (Elijah) into the other (John the Baptist). Our Lord isn’t saying - a la reincarnation - that John is a reborn Elijah, but that John bears the same prophetic spirit as Elijah precisely because he, John, is the herald of His Messianic mission.

God wished for the Jews to recognize that John was the fulfillment of the prophecy of Elijah’s return - that John, like Elisha before him, had succeeded to Elijah’s prophetic office and character. When Elijah called Elisha to be his successor, he threw his own cloak over Elisha’s shoulders, but Elisha was obviously a different person than Elijah. He merely succeeded to Elijah’s prophetic office and possessed the “spirit of Elijah”, i.e., the Spiritual charisms of a prophet that Elijah possessed. The same is true of John the Baptist.

Further, having “the spirit of Elijah” does not mean that one is Elijah; rather, the expression (“spirit of Elijah”) refers to the charismatic, prophetic gifts that Elijah himself possessed. For example, if one reads 2 Kings 2:9-10, here, Elijah’s disciple Elisha asks to have a “double portion” of Elijah’s spirit, and Elijah tells him that his request will be granted if Elisha sees him taken up into heaven, which he does. Thereafter, Elisha, too, possesses power charismatic powers and is able to work miracles. So, the “spirit of Elijah” is merely the prophetic power and character that Elijah (the greatest of all the prophets) possessed; and John the Baptist received this very same prophetic power and character.