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bosnian_muslim
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How many of you believe in the possibility of reincarnation?? what does your religion teach about it?
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WmB
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The Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 1013, states: “Death is the end of man’s earthly pilgrimage, of the time of grace and mercy which God offers him so as to work out his earthly life in keeping with the divine plan, and to decide his ultimate destiny. When ‘the single course of our earthly life’ is completed (Lumen Gentium, 48 § 3), we shall not return to other earthly lives: ‘It is appointed for men to die once.’ (Heb 9:27). There is no ‘reincarnation’ after death.”
I believe what the Catholic Church teaches in this paragraph of the Catechism.
I believe what the Catholic Church teaches in this paragraph of the Catechism.
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Adam_Warlock
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Reincarnation is not a part of Scripture or traditional Christian theology.
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Nine_Two
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The belief that over the course of time we live multiple lives, each broken by death and rebirth - the common definition of reincarnation - has no place in Christianity and was soundly denounced at the Second Council of Constantinople.
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rossum
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Almost everyone has been and will be reborn many many times. We have all spent lifetimes in the heavens, in the hells, as an animal and as a human.[The Buddha said:] “What do you think, monks: Which is greater, the tears you have shed while transmigrating and wandering this long, long time — crying and weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — or the water in the four great oceans?”
“As we understand the Dhamma taught to us by the Blessed One, this is the greater: the tears we have shed while transmigrating and wandering this long, long time — crying and weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — not the water in the four great oceans.”
"Excellent, monks. Excellent. It is excellent that you thus understand the Dhamma taught by me.
“This is the greater: the tears you have shed while transmigrating and wandering this long, long time — crying and weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — not the water in the four great oceans.”
– Assu sutta, Samyutta Nikaya 15.3
We can escape being reborn (transmigrating) by attaining enlightenment. At that point we enter nirvana and continue to live for the remainder of our current life. After we die we will no longer be reborn.
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jakasaki
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I must take some time out and learn & study about Buddhism -
I know nothing about it…!!
Not that I’ll take that (Buddhist) path for life, I’m happy and satisfied with my Orthodox Christianity, but I do like to learn about other faiths.
Thanks for sharing…!
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bosnian_muslim
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I thought that buddhism teaches there is no classical reincarnation(like hinduism believes for example),there is no YOU that goes into an other body…its your deeds,or your carma(or what to call it) that moves on? am i right?
other religions,like hinduism or the druzism believe the soul comes into an other body…and its an actual person that moves on from one to an other life form
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Sufjon
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Hi Bosnian Muslim: That is close, but I know where your confusion comes from. In Hinduism, you do have a soul, but it is not separate and personally yours. The more proper term for Hindus is Jiva rather than soul. Specifically, there is only one great soul that is pervasive throughout everything. It is analogous to God being one big soul that could be seen as the ocean. A Drop of water may leave the ocean by for instance evaporating into a cloud and being deposited as rain thousands of miles away. The drop may go for centuries on it’s journey back through subterranean streams, rivers. lakes and someday make it back to the ocean. Once it makes it back, where is the individual drop? It is now the ocean. One. That is Hinduism in regards to reincarnation. You may have to take many circuitous journeys as this thing or that, but everyone makes it back eventually. Buddhism may be slightly different in that Siddhartha Gautama never mentioned God. He focused on technique. The similarity is that both religions strive to lose the sense of self. In Hinduism the little self is to be lost so that one may become one again with the true self - The Atman or Purushottama (God). That is the true self. there is really no you. What appears to be you is part of Maya, or the illusion of this passing material world. That is why one needs to lose it in order to obtain Moksha or freedom/liberation.
Should you believe that? probably not. Your path is Islam. A Christian’s path is Christianity. I have only explained the Hindu view of reincarnation at a very brief and elementary level.
Respectfully,
Sufjon
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viveret
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Reincarnation? PLEASE! NOOOOO!
As a Christian I don’t believe in it.
If I did, I think I’d be pretty fatigued most of the time.
One life is enough.
Really.
As a Christian I don’t believe in it.
If I did, I think I’d be pretty fatigued most of the time.
One life is enough.
Really.
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Kitsune633
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Reincarnation is incompatible with Christianity, its impossible to live again and again, we only live once and that’s it, why should we relive another lifetime?
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FaithJoy
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Yeah, Hinduism is different they believe their creator god is actually all of us. What I mean by that is that their creator god shapeshifted into every known creator on earth, therefore the creature is created but through a caste system. Caste system, that is, being good you are born a better creature but still a shapeshifted part of that god. Not much of a moral teaching with it.
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Sufjon
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Quite a lot of moral teaching to it actually. Non violence, kindness, non stealing, celibacy ( for certain disciplines), devotion, prayer, fasting, love of others, and all the morals you might find elsewhere. Also, respect for other religions, regardless of whether they have respect for you.
That is why you will be hard pressed to find a Hindu on your website saying anything bad about your faith. They will tell you to follow your faith.
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Jean_1958
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Hi Bosnian_Muslim,
What does Islam teach about reincarnation? Thanks.
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What does Islam teach about reincarnation? Thanks.
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Nine_Two
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Your claims about Hinduisms view of other religions is patently false.While Hinduism is fine with religions it can assimilate into itself, as it has tried to do with Christianity and Islam, and failed on. I hate to break it to you but the religious tensions in India aren’t just a bunch of crazy Muslims. They also have a history of persecuting Christians - I remember going to a speech by an Indian (Protestant) Christian and he spoke of having to live with death threats and vandalism against his church all the time. Then of course you have the historic persecution against the Buddhists in India.Quite a lot of moral teaching to it actually. Non violence, kindness, non stealing, celibacy ( for certain disciplines), devotion, prayer, fasting, love of others, and all the morals you might find elsewhere. Also, respect for other religions, regardless of whether they have respect for you.
While you can claim that Hinduism teaches respect for other religions and non-violence - both of which are also part of Christianity - claiming that Hindus somehow manage to follow these teachings better than Christians is a falsehood.
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bosnian_muslim
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some sufi brotherhoods believe in reincarnation,then there is the islamic druze sect that believes in reincarnation
but officially islam doesnt accept that theory
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rossum
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As a non-Buddhist you might want to start with Karen Armstrong’s biography of the Buddha, called “Buddha”.
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rossum
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Yes. There is no “soul” in Buddhism. There is rebirth but what passes from life to life is not the same each time. The usual illustration is of lighting a second candle from a first candle. The flame on the second candle is not the same as the flame on the first candle but nor is it completely different. The relationship between two lives is similar.
The same applies during a single life. We are not the same now as we were in the past. To paraphrase Heraclitus, “You can never step in the same river twice because it is not the same river and you are not the same you.”
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Sufjon
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You have not read what I said correctly. I said that respect for other religions is a tenet of Hinduism. I did not however say that all Hindus at all times and all places follow the teachings properly or to imply that unlike anyone else, they don’t fail from time to time. It is like anything else - you try, sometimes you fail and you keep on trying. It is very much a teaching of Hinduism to respect other religions (see Ramakrishna) , but yes people can and do fail to do so.
Respectfully,
Sufjon
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Nine_Two
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That seems to be a claim that they live it, “They will tell you to follow your faith”, did you mean to add “while trying to kill you.”
My objection is not that they fail to keep up the morals of their religious laws, something any member of any religion that actually has morals will struggle with, but I object to the implication that they are somehow superior in this aspect. It is a myth of todays western societies that Eastern Religions are tolerant and non-violent, while the Abramic religions are bloodthirsty and violent. While Islam does teach violence, the other two religions in this branch do not, however members of both have utilized it, which is the exact same as has happened in the east.
Ultimately any ideology - and religion has all the bearings of an ideology - in the wrong hands is bloody and violent. Hitler and Stalin proved it doesn’t need to have a religious basis, and religions around the world have proved that having a religious basis doesn’t make it less likely to be violent.
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scottm
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Clarification: there is no unchanging soul in Buddhism. People can have souls, but their souls have to change.
The first two Seals of the Law state:
- all things are impermanent
- nothing has a fixed nature; there is no fixed “I” because “I” am always changing
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