=albertus_magnus;9840666]Does anyone have good rebuttals to these links:
There are two passages showing Peter’s commissioning by Jesus-both are unhistorical
REALLY
Clement of Rome
Accept our counsel and you will have nothing to regret. . . . If anyone disobeys the things which have been said by him [Jesus] through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in no small danger. We, however, shall be innocent of this sin and will pray with entreaty and supplication that the Creator of all may keep unharmed the number of his elect (Letter to the Corinthians 58:2, 59:1[A.D. 95]).
Irenaeus
But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles. Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [inter A.D. 180-190]).
Clement of Alexandria
[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly grasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? “Behold, we have left all and have followed you” [A.D. 200]).
Tertullian
[T]he Lord said to Peter, “On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven” [Matt. 16:18-19]. … Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys, not to the Church; and whatever you shall have bound or you shall have loose and, not what they shall have bound or they shall have loosed (Modesty 21:9-10 [A.D. 220]).
The passage in Matthew is not supported by similar passages in Mark and Luke and contains internal contradictions and anachronisms
AND HERE’S WHY
Matthews is the First gospel written. all other Apostles and bible authors notably Luke [a non-apostle, and Paul, the last Apostle] accepted as FACT Christ Command so there was no need for further instruction or debate.
Mt. 18:18 grants to the other apostles through Peter, the same “binding and loosing” powers. Lk. 6:14 like Matt. List Peter FIRST because he was known to be FIRST; Paul follows suit in Acts 1:13.
Theres MUCH more but such silliness does deserve the effort to share it.
The passage in John is placed in a fictional (post-resurrection) setting and is a late addition to the gospel.
AND THIS IS KNOWN BECAUSE HE WAS THERE?
2nd. Tim. 3:16-17 [K J bible] "
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness for correction"
Peter could not have been the first pope (or first bishop of Rome) because: Some New Testament passages and early church tradition point to James as the leader of the early church
WRONG! James was the First Bishop of Jerusalem; Peter, First Pope of the Entire church based out of ROME.
The tradition of Peter being the first Bishop of Rome only surfaced in the fourth century
The hierarchy of the early church could not have produced a first pope
WOW! he got one “right?” [ALMOST]
It was Christ, God Himself who did it.
Mt. 16: 18-19 " And I [God]say to thee: [Peter ALONE] That thou art Peter; and upon this rock[You Peter] I [God] will build my church[SINGULAR], and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
And I [God] will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heavenEntrust to YOU PETER and through him his successors] And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven:
John 21:17 “
He [Christ] said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He [God] said [commanded] to him: Feed my sheep”
The supremacy of the Roman church was not recognized from the earliest of times and it achieved it’s prominent position mainly through skilful political maneuvering and forgery
Baloney!
Acts 15: 2, 4 , 6-14 “And when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question. … When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them. … The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. And after there had been much debate, Peter rose and said to them, "Brethren, you know that in the early days God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God who knows the heart bore witness to them, giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us; and he made no distinction between us and them, but cleansed their hearts by faith. …James replied, [THE 1ST. BISHOP OF JERUSALEM] "Brethren, listen to me. Simeon [PETER] has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name”
So who’ right? Jesus Christ /God and the Bible or this person who claims but shows no evidence of his claim:
