Relationship between personality and the soul?

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What is the relationship between one’s personality and his/her soul? Is there any relationship at all? Is the personanlity only determined by the brain?

Any articles or external references would also be appreciated.
 
The soul and the personality are formally distinct; not really distinct;

Citing from De Spiritualitate Et Immortalitate Animae Humanae; by Blessed Duns Scotus;

“[To VIII] As for the arguments of certain teachers, if the meaning is that the soul has the same per se existence in the composite as it has outside the composite, where per se existence is understood as contrasted with the existence characteristic of an accident, then the fire form; if it were to exist apart from matter would also have a per se existence, and then we could admit that the fire form is imperishable. But; is by per se existence it is meant that characteristic of the composite in the line of substance, then it is false to say that the soul has per se existance outside the body. For were such the case, it could not communicate it’s being to another, for even in what is divine; per se being in this sense is incommunicable - hence there is no way in which the soul has per se existance without the body; for if we take the term in the second sense the antecedent of the argument is false; wheras if we take it in the first sense; the consequence is invalid; unless you add that it has this existence naturally and without a miracle; but the latter is not known by natural reason.”

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The soul and the personality are formally distinct; not really distinct;

Citing from De Spiritualitate Et Immortalitate Animae Humanae; by Blessed Duns Scotus;

“[To VIII] As for the arguments of certain teachers, if the meaning is that the soul has the same per se existence in the composite as it has outside the composite, where per se existence is understood as contrasted with the existence characteristic of an accident, then the fire form; if it were to exist apart from matter would also have a per se existence, and then we could admit that the fire form is imperishable. But; is by per se existence it is meant that characteristic of the composite in the line of substance, then it is false to say that the soul has per se existance outside the body. For were such the case, it could not communicate it’s being to another, for even in what is divine; per se being in this sense is incommunicable - hence there is no way in which the soul has per se existance without the body; for if we take the term in the second sense the antecedent of the argument is false; wheras if we take it in the first sense; the consequence is invalid; unless you add that it has this existence naturally and without a miracle; but the latter is not known by natural reason.”

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OKAY can you please explain that quote to me? Sorry :o

Does that mean when someone dies and goes to Heaven, he/she will not have a personality there?
 
OKAY can you please explain that quote to me? Sorry :o

Does that mean when someone dies and goes to Heaven, he/she will not have a personality there?
It means we will have our personalities in Heaven; because we must have a general ressurection after death. Because our personalities & intellect are not really distinct from out souls; we can be certain we shall have them after we die.
 
OKAY can you please explain that quote to me? Sorry :o

Does that mean when someone dies and goes to Heaven, he/she will not have a personality there?
If there were no personalities, there’s be no* person-hood*-no “you” to experience the beatitude God has in store for those who’ll be with Him. Our life experiences, our decision to follow Christ, everything involving us would be erased, our life a futile exercise by God, and I guess there’d be some sort of shadowy, probably passionless entity in our stead.

Agnostics and even believers often object to ascribing person-hood to God, of claiming to know anything specifically of His attributes, but person-hood is always superior to a vaguely imagined, stoic sort of Super-being. Only a person can love.
 
What is the relationship between one’s personality and his/her soul? Is there any relationship at all? Is the personanlity only determined by the brain?

Any articles or external references would also be appreciated.
The answer to your question exists but at the moment cannot be explained here, because it does not fit into a traditionally religious context.

The soul is not defined well enough to support an answer to your question, so if you really want that answer, you’ll be digging for it. You must begin with a definition of the soul, and go from there to a determination of its relationship to the brain.

This itself brings up many issues, many in biology and neurophysiology.

Studies of the brain yield some results which might be interpreted as indicative of a soul, but cannot be useful because the soul lacks a serious definition.

By definition I mean: of what is it composed, how might it interact with the brain, what does it do (and not do), what is its purpose (please don’t quote from the catechism), what kind of information does it retain (in the context of the brain’s many varieties of information storage and retention mechanisms), and what information might it not be able to retain?

The first I know of who wrote seriously on the subject was the mathematician/philosopher Rene Descartes, and I recommend that you begin with him. Much of his best ideas are concealed, for fear of the Inquisition. The Church has failed to adopt his definition of the soul, which IMO was a mistake on its part. Not that his concept should be taken as the final answer, but it was a fine starting point.

If you want something more contemporary, a few decades ago the atheistic philosophers Hofstadter (who is actually a cool guy) and Dennet wrote, The Mind’s I, a compendium of ideas (excerpts from other writers) about the nature of the human mind. The book presents a completely atheistic perspective through its authors’ comments, which follow and “explain” the excerpts. Their book includes two entire chapters from a novel, The Soul of Anna Klane, which was excerpted entirely out of context, and is actually a story which uses the novel form to explain unique ideas about the nature of soul and its relationship to the brain. It is out of print, available used on the internet. I recommend it as an easy starting point. Both chapters have been filmed, but copies are hard to find, and are also out of context.

Should you read it at all, read it twice. The story is too powerful, and interferes with the ideas. On 2nd read, determine the day on which the story ended.

This research will prepare you to understand the more precise answers to your question, which are coming soon.
 
The answer to your question exists but at the moment cannot be explained here, because it does not fit into a traditionally religious context.

The soul is not defined well enough to support an answer to your question, so if you really want that answer, you’ll be digging for it. You must begin with a definition of the soul, and go from there to a determination of its relationship to the brain.

This itself brings up many issues, many in biology and neurophysiology.

Studies of the brain yield some results which might be interpreted as indicative of a soul, but cannot be useful because the soul lacks a serious definition.

By definition I mean: of what is it composed, how might it interact with the brain, what does it do (and not do), what is its purpose (please don’t quote from the catechism), what kind of information does it retain (in the context of the brain’s many varieties of information storage and retention mechanisms), and what information might it not be able to retain?

The first I know of who wrote seriously on the subject was the mathematician/philosopher Rene Descartes, and I recommend that you begin with him. Much of his best ideas are concealed, for fear of the Inquisition. The Church has failed to adopt his definition of the soul, which IMO was a mistake on its part. Not that his concept should be taken as the final answer, but it was a fine starting point.

If you want something more contemporary, a few decades ago the atheistic philosophers Hofstadter (who is actually a cool guy) and Dennet wrote, The Mind’s I, a compendium of ideas (excerpts from other writers) about the nature of the human mind. The book presents a completely atheistic perspective through its authors’ comments, which follow and “explain” the excerpts. Their book includes two entire chapters from a novel, The Soul of Anna Klane, which was excerpted entirely out of context, and is actually a story which uses the novel form to explain unique ideas about the nature of soul and its relationship to the brain. It is out of print, available used on the internet. I recommend it as an easy starting point. Both chapters have been filmed, but copies are hard to find, and are also out of context.

Should you read it at all, read it twice. The story is too powerful, and interferes with the ideas. On 2nd read, determine the day on which the story ended.

This research will prepare you to understand the more precise answers to your question, which are coming soon.
Greylorn, I’d rather stick to Aristotle and St. Thomas on the soul … no offense … 😃

The answers are coming soon? 🤷 The wheel does not have to be reinvented, unless you just woke up from a coma and don’t know that the wheel already exists.

faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/psyche.htm
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=214669
 
Greylorn, I’d rather stick to Aristotle and St. Thomas on the soul … no offense …
Excellent choices. A philosopher who got every element of physics wrong, and who reasoned that heavy objects fall faster than light ones, teamed up with a theologian who believed that our flat earth was the center of the universe (things that they could actually perceive and investigate), figuring out the truth about the soul, something they could not perceive and had no way to investigate.

You’ve made the right choices, for you. I’m not offended. You could also hammer a nail into your head and I would not be offended.
 
excellent choices. A philosopher who got every element of physics wrong, and who reasoned that heavy objects fall faster than light ones, teamed up with a theologian who believed that our flat earth was the center of the universe (things that they could actually perceive and investigate), figuring out the truth about the soul, something they could not perceive and had no way to investigate.

You’ve made the right choices, for you. I’m not offended. You could also hammer a nail into your head and i would not be offended.
😃 … thanks for the laugh !
 
It means we will have our personalities in Heaven; because we must have a general ressurection after death. Because our personalities & intellect are not really distinct from out souls; we can be certain we shall have them after we die.
If Phineas Gage is in heaven, which personality does he retain? Personalities change over time even if you aren’t in a freak accident. It may be a pointless line of questioning.

Do we have memories of our earthly existence in heaven?
 
It seems this question has been answered on another thread which I found googling:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=214669

(The concept of “soul” and its relationship to the body is explained).

The following link discusses Aquinas’ idea of personality and soul"

library.thinkquest.org/18775/aquinas/peraq.htm

The soul and body and so integrated with each other that when there is brain injury, the personality with its intellect, will and memory may also be affected. The soul is the animating principle whereby we live, think, perceive. It is a substantial form because to be alive is not an accident of a substance.

The Greeks originated the word for the principle of life from breath, wind which is *psyche * which becomes anima and spiritus.
 
Excellent choices. A philosopher who got every element of physics wrong, and who reasoned that heavy objects fall faster than light ones, teamed up with a theologian who believed that our flat earth was the center of the universe (things that they could actually perceive and investigate), figuring out the truth about the soul, something they could not perceive and had no way to investigate.

You’ve made the right choices, for you. I’m not offended. You could also hammer a nail into your head and I would not be offended.
I don’t care for Aristotle either, but must you be so aggressive?
 
I don’t care for Aristotle either, but must you be so aggressive?
The guy to whom I posted, not you, has a previously established high quality mind and a respectable sense of humor.

Those are not easily come by. You can learn them here with a significantly less arrogant attitude, youngster. Practice.
 
Excellent choices. A philosopher who got every element of physics wrong, and who reasoned that heavy objects fall faster than light ones, teamed up with a theologian who believed that our flat earth was the center of the universe (things that they could actually perceive and investigate), figuring out the truth about the soul, something they could not perceive and had no way to investigate.

You’ve made the right choices, for you. I’m not offended. You could also hammer a nail into your head and I would not be offended.
So they got things about physics wrong – something they admitted was possible. Has anything of their metaphysics been discredited yet?
 
Blurry nothingish statements can not be discredited.
You’ve never read (or understood) either of their works then. They clearly define every technical term they use and don’t use vague language when making logical syllogisms. Do you honestly think philosophy doctors would even bother to study their works if it were so?
 
So they got things about physics wrong – something they admitted was possible. Has anything of their metaphysics been discredited yet?
Of course. Have you noticed that atheism is the world’s fastest growing religion?

Or that it is not even possible for Christian groups to get a simple note about the possibility of intelligent design into a preface to public high school biology books?

Although the correct word should be “antephysics,” metaphysics is the theoretical study of what must have preceded the laws and events described by physics. How then, could someone who got physics totally wrong have managed to get any aspect of metaphysics right?
 
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