Relationship in the gutter.

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Persuader said:
I am happy to learn about the catholic faith, but this nonsensical abuse concerning my sexual morality has to stop. It seems like some of you can’t help yourself.

You seem to think yourself entitled to badmouth people that doesn’t conform or believe as you do - thinking you have the right to abuse others because they disagree on how to live life.

I suggest we continue the conversation about Catholicism and relationships (yes, I think some of you have some interesting views), and stop with the abuse. It accomplishes nothing except making me doubt if I should even bother learning about your religion. The ball is in your court.
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Actually, it’s in yours. Most of us don’t think you should put up with name calling either. Sex seems to be a hot button for many. Most of the bussiest threads are about that. Gee, I wonder why? If you choose to stay, I hope you understand that we all mean well and sometimes this isn’t the best form of communications for emotionally charged issues.

I think I said in an earlier post that some have better bed-side manners than others, here. I don’t know if that saying means much to you given your background is not from America. So if it doesn’t make sense, let me know and I’ll reprhase.

Some come here to debate and it’s what makes them happy I guess. I"m not here for that but I am here to say that I understand very well what you say and how you are thinking about your current lifestyle. I posted a few questions a while back that I’d appreciate a direct response if you choose. You don’t have to post here. You may PM me if you would rather.

I’m also thinking about what to tell you about visiting your girlfriends parents. But that will have to wait.
 
I will say again, this situation practically begs for Persuader’s girlfriend to be invited here, to present her side to this discussion if she wishes to do so. I mean, she is not a newborn who cannot talk for herself, she is not in a coma or something, and we may never know whether she is interested in participating in this discussion, until you Persuader let her know about the existence of this thread and invite her to read it.

I hope you are not intimidated by a little challenge, Persuader. 😉 😛 After all, who knows, we might just succeed in re-kindling her faith in God again, in which case she might seriously consider obeying God’s commandments again and she might even kick you out of her bed until such time that you will be willing to marry her and only have unprotected sex after marriage, which of course may very well lead to “complications” such as babies! :eek: 😃
 
Joseph_L_Varga said:
I will say again, this situation practically begs for Persuader’s girlfriend to be invited here, to present her side to this discussion if she wishes to do so. I mean, she is not a newborn who cannot talk for herself, she is not in a coma or something, and we may never know whether she is interested in participating in this discussion, until you Persuader let her know about the existence of this thread and invite her to read it.

I hope you are not intimidated by a little challenge, Persuader. 😉 😛 After all, who knows, we might just succeed in re-kindling her faith in God again, in which case she might seriously consider obeying God’s commandments again and she might even kick you out of her bed until such time that you will be willing to marry her and only have unprotected sex after marriage, which of course may very well lead to “complications” such as babies! :eek: 😃
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Persuader probably wouldn’t want her to see how he thought she fell apart as it wouldn’t make her feel good to know he saw her that way.
 
Hey there, I don’t know who hurt your feelings regarding your personal choices with sex but I hope it wasn’t me. I just want you to know what I said is from experience. It is not your fault that your girlfriend chose to agree with premarital sex. But she could use your help in remembering why she didn’t believe in it at one time. There are many reasons even for the atheist/agnostic to wait until your married before having sex. Regardless there is a point that a lot of people are missing here. That is about faith being a gift from God. Faith is a gift it does not come from us. In order to keep the spirit living in us we have to nurture it. So she may one day rekindle that faith on her own.
 
Persuader said:
I am happy to learn about the catholic faith, … I’m a user without any real feelings for the people around me – I just throw them away like they are nothing … I’m only interested in sex, treat women disrespectfully, and might be giving them STDs.
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Page 31(32?) and counting. Good. It is about time you admitted to this. Now all you have to do is cease the constant attempts at justification of yourself.
 
Regarding the Implanon - tell your gf, Persuader, to go to the dr and have that thing removed.

You don’t believe in God - I don’t believe in birth control.

Why don’t you believe in God?

Here’s why I don’t believe in birth control.

It’s a 2-in-1 deal of self-destruction - the user gets to commit a mortal sin which hurts her soul and will land her in hell for all eternity unless she repents, and she also gets to use a pretty high risk medicine that may hurt her body. Gotta love this sentence in the warnings: if you feel weakness or numbness in one side of your body, call your doctor and have the Implanon removed. In other words, if you are experiencing a stroke, call your doctor… if you are still able to…

If you are experiencing a deep-vein thrombosis, call your doctor… if you are still alive… unless of course the blood clot stopped your heart…

If you get diagnosed with breast cancer, another known risk of this kind of birth control, let’s say some 15 years after your bf used you for sex, but didn’t love you enough to marry you… send him a thank you note… unless of course you long lost contact with him already since then…

And please, Persuader, invite your gf here, to the forum…
 
Something has happened, and I don’t know what to think. :confused: You people will probably be pleased, though…

My gf ambushed me today with an ultimatum. She said that I were to suggest a timeline for marriage before we go to celebrate Christmas or else! That’s by the end of the week! 😦 Apparently she had a transformative, religious experience (theosis?) through prayer. I am absolutely shell shocked… I tried to reason with her, but she wouldn’t listen to me. She told me she needed me to show my commitment to our relationship (what is this nonsense?! We’ve been together for less than 10 months!). Then she gave me a list of ground-rules and requests, kissed me and left! I have never felt so confused or conflicted in my entire life… :confused:

I haven’t decided if I will call her on her bluff or not. Even though she put up a strong front today, I am not certain she will see it through. I don’t think she will leave me anyway. Deciding on marriage by 20? That’s hard. If I didn’t love her so much, I would kick her to the curb for putting me in this position. Ultimatums are for children. :mad:

I have gotten sound advice from some friends about the non-religious stuff, but I really need your help with this list. Is there religious reasons for what she is saying, and how do they relate to the fact that I am only her partner, and not actually catholic myself (I remember some of you said that condoms were fine since I was not a catholic)? Here is the ground-rules:

A: No more sex before marriage.
B: She will not use contraceptives (she apparently made an appointment to remove the Implanon).

These are the requests:
  1. No porn.
  2. No condoms.
  3. I accompany her to some kind of introduction/instruction (I’m unsure about the exact word) at church (do you know what this could be?). (I will ask her more about what this is when she will talk to me)
  4. I accompany her to a charity.
I need to find out about this asap, so I can decide what to do about it. I only have a few days to decide. Thanks in advance.
 
This is all too neat and tidy.

Now I’m wondering like I did way back in the beginning if this is all a hoax post and you are just a bored poster who has been playing with people.

asap is an American term that someone with English as a third language wouldn’t normally use.

Nevertheless I hope some lurkers have learned something about Catholic teaching on the subject of love and premarital sex and the dangers of getting involved so deeply without benefit of clergy.

Whether the poster is legitimate, the Truth remains the same in all times and in all places.
 
I think you are right Liberanosamalo; the last post was way too convenient. It’s like he wrapped a bow on the whole thread. I got taken in too and played like a fiddle. This thread must be a work of art in troll country.
 
novaslasher said:
I think you are right Liberanosamalo; the last post was way too convenient. It’s like he wrapped a bow on the whole thread. I got taken in too and played like a fiddle. This thread must be a work of art in troll country.
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*:o It does make one wonder. *
 
I agree with all 3 of you. this last post from the OP was way too convenient.

Wonder if this troll has been lurking on other Catholic sites w/the same post. He needs to call 1-800-need-a-life.
 
If that’s the case, you are meant to be a writer of fiction stories, Persuader. Let us know, I don’t want to miss when your next book comes out! 😃
 
Liberanosamalo said:
asap is an American term that someone with English as a third language wouldn’t normally use.
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asap is an internet term as well, I don’t think any of us will ever be sure.

I wonder though, isn’t this something very boring to troll about? Asking for advice about a formerly Catholic girlfriend (I guess now reconverted) who became depressed upon deconversion is such a neutral topic. Why even write about it unless it has some truth in it?

On the one hand I’m skeptical, on the other this kind of change of mind on her part isn’t surprising for someone who otherwise showed herself to have very unstable beliefs.
 
Man, and I even prayed for the balloon boy… that he should land safely! :banghead:

And I used to watch the show “Operation repo” on truTV, pulling for Big Lou and his team to repossess the cars from the bad guys, and show mercy for those in bad straits. Until I checked online and found out that the stories are fictional! :doh2:

Well, I have never been known for being exactly sharp in real-world situations… 😊 I should stay a scientist… less complicated… :o
 
I doubt very much that “Persuader” is anywhere except North America. I am from London, England. The vast majority of people in Europe will learn to speak British English rather than American English. Persuader has been structuring sentences and using words in a way which people in Britain don’t. He has used many, many casual North American words correctly and fluently. I am surrounded by people here in Europe who speak English as a third language after German, Italian, French etc. and absolutely none of them use language the way Persuader does.

I also spent time in Scandinavia and I never encountered a local person speaking North American English only British English.

It’s quite conceivable that English would be a third language for a European but to use North American English the way he does suggests a native speaker.

The lack of emotion in his posts also suggests he’s just here for a debate and to press a few buttons.

I wonder if that last post was a set up for us to be introduced to the “girlfriend”.
 
Kindness said:
I doubt very much that “Persuader” is anywhere except North America. I am from London, England. The vast majority of people in Europe will learn to speak British English rather than American English. Persuader has been structuring sentences and using words in a way which people in Britain don’t. He has used many, many casual North American words correctly and fluently. I am surrounded by people here in Europe who speak English as a third language after German, Italian, French etc. and absolutely none of them use language the way Persuader does.

I also spent time in Scandinavia and I never encountered a local person speaking North American English only British English.

It’s quite conceivable that English would be a third language for a European but to use North American English the way he does suggests a native speaker.

The lack of emotion in his posts also suggests he’s just here for a debate and to press a few buttons.
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That’s interesting, can you point to examples? I personally can never tell these things, I talk to some people from Scandinavia online and their English is better than mine and I don’t see the American/British signs.

If someone is online a lot, wouldn’t they pick up the Internet-English variety we all speak?
 
Persuader, if you are for real, I’m gonna give you the best advice I heard from Winnie-the-Pooh:

When you come to a fork in the road, take it! :cool: 🤷

😛
 
It’s possible that his English improved to this point by spending a tremendous amount of time online, that also suggests someone not unfamiliar with trolling. I don’t have the time to look at all his posts right now, it’s 8am and I’m taking my kids to school. He has used plenty of phrases such as “sure we could”. British people never use “sure” in this way. I might use it as I lived in the US for 15 yrs but a European would be very unlikely use that word in that way. It’s possible, it just points to something unlikely.
 
Well Persuader, if this is an actual event. You now get to decide what to do. Either you were telling the truth and loved her and will marry her…or you were just using her. She is calling YOUR bluff not the other way around. You were the one who slept with her, which to a Catholic woman, means I want to be with you for life.

As for what you do. You decide, you either plan on marrying her and follow her rules. Or you pack your bags and get out. We told you this was coming, but you didn’t believe us. As for the religious part, she is living to the Moral code she was given. And she is working on converting you. how does it relate to you being her only partner. She is seeing you for what you really are, and she is acting on that. That matters less than her morals and sense of faith does. simply put your goose is cooked
 
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