Releasing results of family survey would mean defying Pope, says bishops’ conference official

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Hoosier_Daddy said:
Oh geesh. Pointing out that the Church that has been ungoldy at times. is deflection. Thinking that just because someone goes to weekly Mass that they are theologically in a position to tell the Church what is right is downright silly.

Most people who attend weekly Mass contracept. But that can’t be ight.

Or can it?
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We all sin. Pope Francis set an outstanding example in Lent by going to confession publicly before hearing confessions.

The question arises what is the Faith of the Church? Surly, it must be in part determined by the faith of the faithful. The point about the church being ungodly at times is not a deflection it is a comment on the challenge that all concepts that the church has advocated haven’t been optimal in the long run. Today, we understand that women aren’t an accident or an imperfection. We no longer tolerate slavery. We are getting better.

The truth needs to be accepted to be effective. We need to care for each other and the poor. The judgement story in Mathew is very telling.
 
christopher_r said:
We all sin. Pope Francis set an outstanding example in Lent by going to confession publicly before hearing confessions.

The question arises what is the Faith of the Church? Surly, it must be in part determined by the faith of the faithful. The point about the church being ungodly at times is not a deflection it is a comment on the challenge that all concepts that the church has advocated haven’t been optimal in the long run. Today, we understand that women aren’t an accident or an imperfection. We no longer tolerate slavery. We are getting better.

The truth needs to be accepted to be effective. We need to care for each other and the poor. The judgement story in Mathew is very telling.
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Slavery and women. Right out of the ole handbook.:rolleyes:
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Slavery and women. Right out of the ole handbook.:rolleyes:
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we are leaning. slowly it is sad to say

if we don’t learn from history we are doomed to repeat it.

we should be informed by the past and plan for a better future
 
christopher_r said:
I would challenge this strongly. The people who were responding were mostly the people who go to Mass weekly. These people pray, work and live to serve God and their communities.

Good people can have formed conscience carefully. They may and may not agree with the Magesterium. History has shown that the Church leadership has often been good and godly.
Sometime, it has been very ungodly. Sometimes it has done evil, as when it killed people or had them killed.

The church for many centuries thought women were inferior and a mistake. They were not thought to be reliable witnesses or capable of good thought (with a few exceptions). This makes St Catherine even more impressive that she is and she is really impressive.

Peace
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I think the reports speak for themselves. Regardless of the saintliness of those who filled out the survey, the reports aren’t about just those who filled out the survey, but also those who didn’t.
 
Dawnia said:
I think the reports speak for themselves. Regardless of the saintliness of those who filled out the survey, the reports aren’t about just those who filled out the survey, but also those who didn’t.
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so what do you make of the reports as they speak for themselves?
 
FollowChrist34 said:
This is pretty interesting. A long read, but I think very helpful in keeping the right perspective on the surveys - they are taking our temperature ;).

vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/documents/rc_synod_doc_20131105_iii-assemblea-sinodo-vescovi_en.html
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the german temperature was pretty different than the standard teaching of the magisterium.
I heard that living together was the usual practice in germany. almost universal.

the other interesting thing in germany is if you don’t pay the church tax you are excluded. That and their bling bishop is a mess
 
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