Relic of St Joseph?

[jmjconder]

What are the possibilities of a any relic from St Joseph?

I am very cautious about this. We all know there are no first class relic - and if that is so how can there be any second or third.

The first time I encountered a relic from St Joseph’s cloak I spoke with an well known priest. He said that relics of clothing are false. They come from the early reenactments of the life of Jesus that took place in the open squares. They would be stored and labeled the cloak, or whatever of St Joseph. Found years later people actually thought it was authentic.

Thoughts?

 

[George_Stegmeir]

I would agree with the priest. False relics during the Middle Ages were very common. If all the nails from the True Cross were gathered together, one could build a battleship from them! Likewise pieces of the Crown of Thorns, etc.
A word or two of caution. Never, ever, obtain a relic from e-Bay. To begin with, it is a sin to buy a relic. Secondly, the chances of it being a genuine relic is remote. Even if the relic you bought is bogus, you still committed the sin of Simony because of your intent.

 

[Lormar]

I knew a woman who ran around claiming she had an “ex ossibus” relic of St. Joseph. We tried to tell her that wasn’t possible (having a piece of St. Joseph’s bone), but she was one of those people that no one could tell anything to.

 

[Ad_Orientem]

. . . eBay . . . simony . . .

I don’t think the intent to rescue a relic from profanation is the sin of simony. That said, if the relic doesn’t come with authentic Vatican documentation, you’ve got a real dilemma on your hands…

 

[George_Stegmeir]

I don’t think the intent to rescue a relic from profanation is the sin of simony. That said, if the relic doesn’t come with authentic Vatican documentation, you’ve got a real dilemma on your hands…

Ypu either don’t know or are forgetting that documents are the easiest things to forge. There are clear examples of this not only on e-Bay, but throughout the internet.

 

[Ad_Orientem]

Ypu either don’t know or are forgetting that documents are the easiest things to forge. There are clear examples of this not only on e-Bay, but throughout the internet.

I am aware of forgeries. Which is why I said authentic. But you have a point, most people wouldn’t know the difference.

 

[Lormar]

I know a woman (the same one who claim to have the ex ossibus of St. Joseph) who was getting what she claimed to be first class relics for people. The only problem was that the papers that came with the alleged relics were all photocopies without an original seal and signature. When I pointed this out to one person who got a relic from her, she said “that’s the way things are done today.”

 

[theistgal]

Back when eBay was still new (and I was younger & more enthusiastic! ), I did a lot of that “relic rescuing”.

The most I ever paid was $95 for a relic of St. Anne of Beaupreaux (sp)?. Now I doubt if it was real, but it was in a nice reliquary, and I gave it to an aunt who was named after her, as a “name day” present.

Nowadays, of course, I would know better but eBay and the Internet were a different place back in the early days … wild and wooly!

 

[CatholicLife]

There is relics of the staff of St Joseph. The Church has said that because of the probability that these relics might be fake means we should view them as " representive relics".

The relics of the Holy Nails have an interesting history. One of them was melted down to make the Iron Crown of Lombardy and I think others were melted down and mixed with other metals in order to have many Holy Nails.

I love relics and have about 30 in my private “oratory”.

 

[jmjconder]

If there is an authentic relic of St Joseph…like his robe - why is that same relic a third class relic of Jesus and Mary?

 

[CatholicLife]

If there is an authentic relic of St Joseph…like his robe - why is that same relic a third class relic of Jesus and Mary?

Maybe because it had contact with The Lord and The Theotokos?
St Katherine Drexel owned many first class relics… are they second class relics as well?

 

[jmjconder]

Maybe because it had contact with The Lord and The Theotokos?
St Katherine Drexel owned many first class relics… are they second class relics as well?

This is my point for an argument to the authenticity of any second class relic of St Joseph. If there is a true second class relic of St Joseph…there would be a authentic third class relic of Jesus and Mary.

 

[CatholicLife]

This is my point for an argument to the authenticity of any second class relic of St Joseph. If there is a true second class relic of St Joseph…there would be a authentic third class relic of Jesus and Mary.

Third class relics are very common. For an object to be a third class relic it has to touch a first or second class relic. I know the Catholic Church has the veil of the Virgin and the Orhodox have the cincture. Any devotional object touched to these is a third class relic.

 

[jmjconder]

Third class relics are very common. For an object to be a third class relic it has to touch a first or second class relic. I know the Catholic Church has the veil of the Virgin and the Orhodox have the cincture. Any devotional object touched to these is a third class relic.

My point. If there is a second class relic of St Joseph there is also a third class relic of Jesus and Mary…how would any cloak of St Joseph NOT be touched by Jesus and Mary?