Relics and Cremains

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Can someone please explain why cremating a loved one and letting all the family members wear some of the ashes is morally unacceptable, but its ok to take bones of the saints and place them in many different places on earth…under altars, in necklaces, etc.
 
She does not allow you to wear the ashes for the same reason she does not allow you to cut off grandma’s finger and wear it as a necklace - to do show would show disrespect for the body. It is why She requires cremains to be buried or interred in consecrated ground, the same as a body would be.

Relics of Saints are placed in altars (ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur80.htmt) and venerated for the benefit of the faithful. They are treated with the utmost care and respect and are not worn as jewelery.

In short, cremains and relics are apples and oranges with different rules governing each.

What is really bothering you?:hmmm:
 
She does not allow you to wear the ashes for the same reason she does not allow you to cut off grandma’s finger and wear it as a necklace - to do show would show disrespect for the body. It is why She requires cremains to be buried or interred in consecrated ground, the same as a body would be.

Relics of Saints are placed in altars (ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur80.htmt) and venerated for the benefit of the faithful. They are treated with the utmost care and respect and are not worn as jewelery.

In short, cremains and relics are apples and oranges with different rules governing each.

What is really bothering you?:hmmm:
Nothing at all is bothering me…it was a question. And I know for a fact some bishops wear relics in lockets on necklaces.
 
Sorry if I read more into your original post than you meant to be there - the tone seemed to be harsh to me.

I do not know of bishops wearing relics however they would be doing so and treating the relic as a Sacramental (like a crucifix or a rosary), invoking most probably the prayers and strengths of the Saint to help them shepherd their flock.
 
Remnants of human beings are to be kept in consecrated locales, in anticipation of the Life Everlasting. A church graveyard is such a place; likwise the altar in the church proper. Your home is not; neither is your personal space.

A “relic” is not necessarily part of the body; a 1st class relic is; a 2nd class relic is an object that has touched the body or part of it; while a 3d class relic is any object that has touched a relic in classes 1 or 2. Relics carried around would normally be in 2 or 3, AIUI.

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Nothing at all is bothering me…it was a question. And I know for a fact some bishops wear relics in lockets on necklaces.
never in over 60 years as a CAtholic have I heard of this practice. Do you have some documentation?
 
She does not allow you to wear the ashes for the same reason she does not allow you to cut off grandma’s finger and wear it as a necklace - to do show would show disrespect for the body. It is why She requires cremains to be buried or interred in consecrated ground, the same as a body would be.
Okay, they don’t allow you to wear grandma’s finger for a necklace, but they let you take fragments of saints bones and pass them off all over the world?

What is the difference in keeping cremains in an urn on your shelf at home and keeping a 1st class relic of a piece of a leg bone from a saint in a container in your home?
 
Can someone please explain why cremating a loved one and letting all the family members wear some of the ashes is morally unacceptable, but its ok to take bones of the saints and place them in many different places on earth…under altars, in necklaces, etc.
It is never acceptable to place relics in necklaces. Those you see on TV are fakes.

Relics are to be venerated. Placing it on an altar makes the altar holy through the holiness of a saint. Usually its the relic of a marty that is placed there. Otherwise the relics are in a reliquary and used for veneration. Never in a necklace.
 
Most people forget that Relics are not just bones or hair or body parts, that they can also be items of clothing worn by the saint. Some people may think there is some shock value in discussing the former type rather than the latter.
The entire comparison is of an apple and orange. With the example in the OP we have relics from cannonized saints that are a reminder for the church millitant that there are members awaiting them in heaven. These relics are meaningful or meant to be for all the church. In the example of rubbing grandma’s cremains on one’s body we see no benefit to the church as a whole, and some may be scandalized by it fearing it is ancestor worship to do so.
That’s my understanding of it from what I have learned. Note that I am not catholic.
 
Most people forget that Relics are not just bones or hair or body parts, that they can also be items of clothing worn by the saint. Some people may think there is some shock value in discussing the former type rather than the latter.
The entire comparison is of an apple and orange. With the example in the OP we have relics from cannonized saints that are a reminder for the church millitant that there are members awaiting them in heaven. These relics are meaningful or meant to be for all the church. In the example of rubbing grandma’s cremains on one’s body we see no benefit to the church as a whole, and some may be scandalized by it fearing it is ancestor worship to do so.
That’s my understanding of it from what I have learned. Note that I am not catholic.
Rubbing grandmas remains on one’s body? I never said that.

How can one not see the point I am trying to make…

If we have tiny pieces of leg bones scattered all over the planet and call them a saint its okay, but if someone dies and we all take part of their cremains its not okay…

Why is it justified to scatter one body but not the other is all I am trying to figure out…its fairly simple to understand the similarity.
 
Rubbing grandmas remains on one’s body? I never said that.

How can one not see the point I am trying to make…

If we have tiny pieces of leg bones scattered all over the planet and call them a saint its okay, but if someone dies and we all take part of their cremains its not okay…

Why is it justified to scatter one body but not the other is all I am trying to figure out…its fairly simple to understand the similarity.
Because in the case of the saint, the “body” is scattered to holy places ie, churches, for the sake of faithful veneration. This is not the same as 20 relatives keeping bits of Granny’s ashes at their respective homes (not holy) for purely sentimental purposes.

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Because in the case of the saint, the “body” is scattered to holy places ie, churches, for the sake of faithful veneration. This is not the same as 20 relatives keeping bits of Granny’s ashes at their respective homes (not holy) for purely sentimental purposes.

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Okay, so the scattering of the body is not what makes it wrong.

And could you please explain why it isn’t the same? Veneration is sentimental as well.
 
Okay, so the scattering of the body is not what makes it wrong.

And could you please explain why it isn’t the same? Veneration is sentimental as well.
The saints have been revealed by God to be in heaven. We do not know the fate of those not revealed to us and we cannot make guesses on it.
 
The saints have been revealed by God to be in heaven. We do not know the fate of those not revealed to us and we cannot make guesses on it.
Okay, so its okay to scatter the body parts of those who have been revealed by God to be in Heaven.
 
Can someone please explain why cremating a loved one and letting all the family members wear some of the ashes is morally unacceptable,
this is not “morally unacceptable” per se, except insofar that it is immoral for a Catholic to deliberately disobey a disciplinary rule of the Church. Such rules are changeable, e.g. until last century the Church explicitly forbade cremation except where it was essential for health reasons (plague etc.) The Church’s rules now allow cremation of Catholics as long as the remains are the buried, so that there is no suggestion of denial of the resurrection. The Church does not teach that it is immoral for non-Catholics to do this. Nor is it “immoral” in itself for Catholics, just as it is not “immoral” for a Catholic or anyone to eat meat on Fridays in Lent, just that it is a disciplinary rule which Catholics are bound to obey (within reason).
but its ok to take bones of the saints and place them in many different places on earth…under altars, in necklaces, etc.
Venerating the remains of a person who has not been declared infallibly to be in Heaven, is superstition, and the Church prohibits it. In fact the cause for canonisation of a person can be halted if there is evidence of “undue cult” e.g. people venerating the person as if he were already canonised.
 
I thought I was pretty clear about why there was a false comparison in your OP.
Tell me how scattering remains of those we have no reasonable or moral certianty of being in heaven would benefit the church.
Please, note I am not a catholic.
 
Okay, so the scattering of the body is not what makes it wrong.

And could you please explain why it isn’t the same? Veneration is sentimental as well.
Scattering the body cremains is not allowed.
 
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