That’s your question, not mine. I only said “science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God.”StAnastasia…But if science is in the universe, and the universe is in God, why can’t science sense the existence of God?
Whatever ordinary folk typically do in such circumstances.
Your illiteracy is showing again. I said nothing about being a pantheist.StAnastasia
If you call yourself a pantheist and a Catholic, how confused can you be?
The panentheist model? Now where did I recently read that term? Could it have been in a Bishops’ statement regarding a very questionable book from the viewpoint of Catholic doctrine?
Which is what?
Try panentheist. Not pantheist. Two different words, two different concepts.StAnastasia
**If you think I’m a pantheist, that makes you an illiterate. **
If you call yourself a pantheist and a Catholic, how confused can you be?
False, Granny. Saint Paul was employing a panentheist metaphysical model when he spoke in Acts 17:28 of the God in whom “we live and move and have our being.” Are you accusing Saint Paul of omitting the distinction between the Creator and the created?
It depends on the ordinary folk.
I’ve done something of that sort. The response might or might not be as explicit as ordinary folk desire it to be.
Well granny, where I come from, ordinary folk take Supernatural Beings down to the local pub and there, well, we test their beingness.
I prefer the Catholic interprertation of Scripture over secular theology.
This is making fun of GodWell granny, where I come from, ordinary folk take Supernatural Beings down to the local pub and there, well, we test their beingness.
Scuse me, but granny used the phrase “very close to” . Her statement was not categorically stating that St. Paul was omitting any distinction between the Creator and the created and cannot, therefore, be labelled as false.
Thanks.StAnastasia. O.K. I stand corrected. My eyes deceived me.
Pantheism is a philosophical model of God that conceives of all reality as nothing but an extension of the divine substance. In this sense, the world is consubstantial with God, and has no proper individual being apart from God. Naturally a theist rejects this model as being incompatible with a God who creates a distinct world.Would you like to define “panentheism” for all the illiterati (me included, the word is not in my humongous dictionary, so I’m afraid we can’t discuss this without a precise definition as to what distinguishes “pantheism” from “panentheism).” Thank you!
The passage is perfectly consonant with panentheism, since St. Paul is not asserting a Hindu-style identity between God and the world. Rather, he carefully distinguishes between the Creation and the Creator within whose reality we live. Ephesians 4:6 expresses another nuance of the panentheist model, speaking of “one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.”
How are they contradictory?
We’re in agreement, then!
Granny claimed: “When one uses the terms panentheist or pantheism, one is very close to omitting the distinction between the Creator and the created.”
I never said they were contradictory.
You misunderstood my post. Panentheism is one of the choices of secular theology which is a different theology than Catholic theology. However, some of secular theology does coincide with Catholic theology when it is convenient.