Religion and Science

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I’m a debate junky. If I read a positive view, then I have to read a negative view, then a rebuttal.

I am just to easily persuaded by the last thing I read to leave it at that. I need the two sides to duke it out until only one is left standing.

Youtube has a lot of great debates on nearly everything.

For faith and science I would search “William Lane Craig Debate”.

Also if anyone knows any good debates on creationism let me know. I have seen Kent Hovinds debates but I’m looking for more.
 
Science and religion are not opposed and should not be.

However, they become opposed when morality is involved. Example: Stem cell research.
 
TomD123 said:
Yeah “A Universe from Nothing” is Lawrence Krauss’s book. He deeply misunderstands the term nothing. He is basically arguing for a “nothing” which means certain states governed by the laws of QM. Which is far from nothing. Krauss actually was pressed on this and said (in a think an interview):
“I don’t ever claim to resolve that infinite regress of why-why-why-why-why; as far as I’m concerned it’s turtles all the way down.”
In other words, he recognizes the limits of science in explaining things, he just doesn’t seem to care about that.

As for understanding the Bible passages, it depends on a few things. First the simple sense of the text…some things are more obviously historical whereas other things (like the creation story) are poetic. We also look to the Church Fathers. St. Augustine wrote extensively on not interpreting Genesis completely literally. Finally we look to the teachings of the Church. The Church teaches that it is acceptable to take Genesis symbolically

Hope this is all helpful 👍
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Yep, that’s exactly the book. So basically he knows the limits of science but he wants to deny God so badly that he just ignores it? That’s kind of the vibe I’m getting. I was also thinking of reading The God Delusion. I want to see where the other side is coming from so that I can maybe understand them better and maybe be more helpful in, by the grace of God, leading them in the right direction. At the same time, I think humans it seems are instinctively annoyed by opposite opinions so it doesn’t sound like the most fun thing to read in the world lolz.

So we pretty much just have to use some common sense… that makes sense. I’m sure God wouldn’t let us be all confused about what he was trying to say anyway, even though he does it to me all the time -.- Lolz
Semangelof said:
I’m a debate junky. If I read a positive view, then I have to read a negative view, then a rebuttal.

I am just to easily persuaded by the last thing I read to leave it at that. I need the two sides to duke it out until only one is left standing.

Youtube has a lot of great debates on nearly everything.

For faith and science I would search “William Lane Craig Debate”.

Also if anyone knows any good debates on creationism let me know. I have seen Kent Hovinds debates but I’m looking for more.
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Gosh, I’m the same way with the last thing I hear and I hate myself for it. Makes me feel like I’m not that capable of thinking for myself, ya know?
drz888 said:
I have often found this short 7 minute video titled “Chances of Life in our Universe” insightful:

youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=zidVyQe7NCo

Look forward to your views.
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I’ll check it out, thanks!
TheHolyGhost said:
Science and religion are not opposed and should not be.

However, they become opposed when morality is involved. Example: Stem cell research.
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Yeah… I think that’s more humans acting in opposition to religion than it is science itself. Since science isn’t a sentient thing. That’s an interesting thought.
 
To me science helps us understand God’s work and it presents such a beauty of his creation.
Science helps us learn more about the painting like its colors and other parts whereas faith helps us learn more about the painter.

I also like how many Catholic scientists contributed heavily in the field especially ones who were clergy.

I also like this quote from scripture I got from watching Moody Institute of Science video Animal Kingdom

Job 12;7-9

“But ask the animals and they will teach you;
the birds of the air, and they will tell you;
ask the plants of the earth, and they will teach you;
and the fish of the sea will declare to you.
Who among all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this?”
 
Science and religion support each other but sadly Richard Dawkins and his crew dont see this amazing truth.:pshaw::sleep::hmmm::banghead:
 
Science was once stopped in our past, based on the different forms of brotherhoods relating to Christianity and the secret information they held. This information was studied by those who were interested in the secret teachings of religion regarding its supernatural events and the alchemy.

It has led to the current day Church itself studying the holy texts and then beginning their own scientific pursuits as a claim to proving a Creator existed against the scientific verdict of evolution.

I understand myself that our Father has always sent messages to us via spirit visitations to many human beings in history and I received one myself regarding Scientific pursuits that were today causing the UFO activated events and alien form of devil possessions and attacks against humanity. If you care to study this information I am sure that the Church Elders would agree that the alien attacks seem very devil like and are probably unsure of what to do about them.

Studying the scientific pursuits and having had a message from our Father after I was nearly self combusted because of Science studying the atmospheric sound signals at NASA allowed me to understand that Scientific pursuits were actually banned by the Catholic Brothers a long time ago as an actual argument and fighting between the different orders of belief regarding Father as a real light spirit and the upholding of spiritual protection that the Church is supposed to supply as acting in Good Faith for our spiritual life on Earth.

Father told me that in our ancient past 8000 years ago the ancients were using a sound technology to lift large stones in building the Pyramids and Temples. This was proven by Tibetan Monks to a Scientist that they could lift large boulders with sound instruments. Father told me that they caused a nuclear release in the atmosphere because they created an unholy transmis SION using the Sun information of the 144,000. In India Archaeologists discovered a community who were killed by a nuclear event 8000 years ago.

Father stated that sound is the basis of our creation, why Scientists believe in the String Theory. That the Sun and Planets besides Earth is proving that sound is being lost by all of the planets via manifestation of UFO sound bodies, as the strings that once were sung by the Sun for the bonding of uranium in the Earth were being broken, which heats up the internal tunnels/chambers inside the Earth causing the Earth to start harmonically singing against the atmosphere. This is the return of Satan (inside the Earth), as the Earth was nearly destroyed in a previous sound release and burnt into a coal body. The Earth was then hit by many meteorite bodies of the exploded stone planets, the stone bonds which they had changed. This caused the Earth to re-break her stone cell and she came back to life with volcanic eruptions.

Father told me why we all began to be spiritually attacked by these horrible UFO sound bodies that look devil/alien like and actually have been burnt and harmed physically by the proof of cellular changes. Aids and ebola are the outcomes of the sacrifice of oxygen in the atmosphere, the spirit that protects our life as angelic sound that Father sings from the Light for our Life. Father stated that in 2012 the devil sound faces (falling orbs) they called fall of the angels (sound bodies) would have been cleared out of the atmosphere, and the holy OXygen level returned, why the Hebrew version gave Christ the spirit the value of OX.
Breaking the atom and converting uranium caused the Sun to release a large sound body that burnt the atmosphere again replacing these Satanic sounds in our atmosphere.

Hence it is obvious that the blood of the Christ spirit protecting our life in the Earth Heaven/atmosphere has changed, which is why the aids/ebola is likened to stigmata.

Father explained that the old ancient astronomical religious data and teachings were based on the spiritual phenomena that the Earth herself and the planets such as Mars lost its stone face as proven by scientists did so because the stone bonds were altered by sound (string theory). Jewellry found embedded in coal and ancient artefacts proven by Cremo to pre date the so called version of evolution provided the information that stated that human beings already pre existed on Earth and the current day version of scientific evolution advice is INCORRECT.

Father has stated that he has proven that angelic visitation and spirits of light walk directly out of light to visit and assist us on Earth. Many human beings have had these encounters. Therefore belief in Satan is to believe in the burning of the stone, which was an ancient tragedy that altered our life as a human mistake being the very reason the religious documents tell us that human beings caused the Fall of Heaven, a mistake that changed sound itself throughout our Fathers first creation, destroying it and causing our life to suffer because of it.

Therefore the Church does not need to prove our Father by science or speak of him as if he is just represented in a God cell as a Creator, for he is a real spirit and angelic being, and our life originated as a light being who walked directly out of light and cell manifested into an organic life because sound change our light cell or spirit body.

Manifestation has been proven by many forms of miraculous documentation and I think that it is about time that the Catholic principles of our Father be upheld, just as they use to be in the older times, those who studied the astronomical events and who knew the truth of our creation, banning any form of alchemical pursuits because of the ancient tragedy.
 
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