Religion combinations?

[Publisher]

A couple of my favorite books are by Thich Nhat Hanh, “Living Buddha, Living Christ” and “Going Home, Jesus and Buddah”.

Great books to glean the similarities and values two faiths share…except for some very “conservative” Christians…it’s not an “all or nothing” propisition where everything not of the respective faith is rejected…even though so much is held in common.

 

[iloveangels]

A couple of my favorite books are by Thich Nhat Hanh, “Living Buddha, Living Christ” and “Going Home, Jesus and Buddah”.

Great books to glean the similarities and values two faiths share…except for some very “conservative” Christians…it’s not an “all or nothing” propisition where everything not of the respective faith is rejected…even though so much is held in common.

Yeah, well, if what you want is to maintain your own way of seeing things, while adding pieces and parts from everywhere to decorate your life, that might work for you in a way. Some people choose to do this.

 

[tarboy]

Real Buddhists (as opposed to pretend-Buddhists) believe staunchly in reincarnation. That is basically and categorically opposed to Christian theology from the get-go.

Buddhists also don’t believe in the trinity and a lot of the other indispensable parts of the Deposit of Faith that constitute Christian theology and faith.

ROFL,
REAL CHRISTIANS (as opposed to pretend Christians) **believe staunchly in Snake Handling! **
My point being, it’s a Non-Sequitur to insist that Buddhism must include reincarnation because some Buddhists now believe it. All Christians mustn’t believe in Snake Handling simply because some now do.

As I already indicated, several modern branches of Buddhism have added ‘doctrine’ that was not taught by Buddha. Everyone will agree that some of those added teachings contradict Catholic doctrine. Many posters here have confirmed that the original philosophy of Buddha fits fine under the Catholic umbrella.

I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit guided him in some limited fashion, for what he taught was not the work of the devil.

 

[iloveangels]

ROFL,
REAL CHRISTIANS (as opposed to pretend Christians) **believe staunchly in Snake Handling! **
My point being, it’s a Non-Sequitur to insist that Buddhism must include reincarnation because some Buddhists now believe it. All Christians mustn’t believe in Snake Handling simply because some now do.

As I already indicated, several modern branches of Buddhism have added ‘doctrine’ that was not taught by Buddha. Everyone will agree that some of those added teachings contradict Catholic doctrine. Many posters here have confirmed that the original philosophy of Buddha fits fine under the Catholic umbrella.

I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit guided him in some limited fashion, for what he taught was not the work of the devil.

NO, one of the absolute and foundational precepts of real Buddhism is Reincarnation.

Anyone who tries to peddle you a touchy-feely version that doesn’t include the cycle of reincarnation isn’t really talking about Buddhism. They’re talking about some other fashionable New Age thing. And probably trying to sell books for big bucks to American “seekers.” It’s a lucrative business.

 

[tarboy]

It doesn’t matter what posters have to say. The Church has the final (only) say.

** Call For Reference Suraya!**
Show me where the RCC instructs that the “original teachings” of Buddha are against Catholic doctrine.

Again, your reference must refer to the original philosophy of Buddha, not the modern configurations we know are in conflict due to added teachings…

 

[tarboy]

NO, one of the absolute and foundational precepts of real Buddhism is Reincarnation.

Anyone who tries to peddle you a touchy-feely version that doesn’t include the cycle of reincarnation isn’t really talking about Buddhism. They’re talking about some other fashionable New Age thing. And probably trying to sell books for big bucks to American “seekers.” It’s a lucrative business.

angels,
I urge you to study the topic before proclaiming exactitude.

“The Three Jewels”, Buddha, Dharma and Sangha,[26] as well as the concepts of karma,[27] rebirth (and reincarnation[28]) and the practice of yoga[29] existed before Gautama lived but they later became associated with Buddhism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism.

Please re-read my post on snake handling.

 

[stanczyk]

NO, one of the absolute and foundational precepts of real Buddhism is Reincarnation.

Anyone who tries to peddle you a touchy-feely version that doesn’t include the cycle of reincarnation isn’t really talking about Buddhism. They’re talking about some other fashionable New Age thing. And probably trying to sell books for big bucks to American “seekers.” It’s a lucrative business.

That is false. Not all schools of Buddhism, particularly, the Chan/Zen schools, do not have dogmatic teachings at all, and it is perfectly possible to practice Zen without any belief in reincarnation. Buddhism is far more complex than the simplistic view espoused above.

People should be familiar with the topics they are speaking about before they bloviate about them

 

[stanczyk]

Buddha’s teachings might sound nice (doesn’t necessarily mean right), but they’re no where close to that of Christ.

That’s where you’re wrong. The teachings or Buddha and Christ are substantially the same.

There is a famous Zen koan where a monk shows the Beatitudes to his master. The master says, “Whoever said this was surely a Buddha.”

 

[tarboy]

Suraya,
Please stay on topic. I asked you to address original teachings, and explicitly excluded ‘modernism’

These two don’t discuss Buddhism in any form whatsoever. Why did you post them?

(ourladyswarriors.org/teach/lamesane.htm and
ourladyswarriors.org/teach/pascendi.htm)

Your next link actually discussed Buddhism but it doesn’t support you.

• “he reminds one not a little of St. Francis of Assisi.”
• His teachings evolved into two branches:
  1. the Northern branch adopted “most of the degrading superstitions of Hinduism” (Hinduism is off-topic)
  2. the Southern branch followed the original teachings. (no conflict with RCC presented on the original texts)
  3. When it does discuss the original texts, it only calls them inferior to the bible.
  However, this does not prove your point, that his teaching are a problem for Catholic doctrine.
  • “These books, stripped of their tiresome repetitions, would be about equal in size to the Bible, though on the whole they are vastly inferior to the Sacred Scripture in spirituality, depth of thought, variety of subject, and richness of expression.”

  This is what the Catholic Encyclopedia has to say on Buddhism: ourladyswarriors.org/dissent/defbuddh.htm

  Again you go off-topic with two links that don’t discuss the original teachings or philosophy of Buddhism. I’m not here to debate or defend Modernism (get over it)
  

  This is what Pope Benedict XVI said on modern theology when he was a cardinal: ourladyswarriors.org/dissent/ratzsitu596.htm
  and he said even more: ourladyswarriors.org/teach/humagene.htm

  And stop trying to compare Buddha with Christ.
  • Christ was the son of God and savior
  • Buddha was just a regular guy who never claimed to be a prophet or God’s representative.
  • It would be more apt to compare Buddha with Norman Vincent Peale. (Norman’s books are also repetitive and vastly inferior to the Bible!)

 

[SaitanaKeDasa]

Having been in a Dharmic faith before. You can be a Catholic and Buddhist because Buddhism is a atheist concept that does not teach a deity from its original form created by Buddha.
Buddha’s main command was to acknowledge “your god”. Not his god as Buddha had none. So if anyone says otherwise then it means you have not gone into Buddhism. There is no conversion to Buddhism because it is just a set of philosophies no different then a person reading a self help book. And the same applies for Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism). This is why Buddhism calls it “enlightenment of the self” because it teaches principles regarding you and you alone not you and god. Buddhism does not teach a religion or the principles of god but the principles of yourself. This is why he majority of Buddhist are also Hindu’s or worship a Dharmic deity. Because Buddhism does not teach any.
Buddhism is not called a religion by any of its followers as Japan and China stand as the highest irreligious and atheist nations on earth. Only westerners call it a religion

 

[tarboy]

Your just trying to please your mind. Again, what you are doing is called modernism (obviously you’ll deny it) and that’s a heresy. And yes, I’ll keep comparing Buddha with Christ since they both started a religion. Christ is hands down greater than Buddha. Anyway, I’ll keep you in my prayers since you’re somewhat moving off the path.

There you go again (Luv that Reagan quote!)
You haven’t addressed one point I raised, and you re-introducing Modernism!

• I’m against Modernism
• Buddah at most could be compared to a Monk
• I liked your link that compared him with St Francis.

You are still confused on the difference between what was started, and what it evolved into.

 

[SaitanaKeDasa]

There you go again (Luv that Reagan quote!)
You haven’t addressed one point I raised, and you re-introducing Modernism!

• I’m against Modernism
• Buddah at most could be compared to a Monk
• I liked your link that compared him with St Francis.

You are still confused on the difference between what was started, and what it evolved into.

You are most smart. You should just embrace it your beliefs as they have no harm on your faith in God. You do not need approval by the unknowledgeable.

 

[SaitanaKeDasa]

Apparently, you’re not familiar with Catholicism. Call Buddhism whatever you want, it still doesn’t make it compatible with Catholicism.

If this is a matter of compatibility then yes it is compatible. It doesn’t have teachings that are against Catholicism. And certain things such as reincarnation are not native to Buddhism but general Dharmic theology so not even that is accepted. So all you have to is remove re incarnation and bingo is it compatible. Buddhism is quite simplistic. Just a series of proverbs and wise sayings basically

 

[SaitanaKeDasa]

Sorry, I don’t believe in New Age Propaganda. Buddhism is a false religion (not a philosophy) and should be called out as such. The patriarchs in the Old Testament didn’t go see Buddha for help nor did Solomon.

You’re only insulting it because you are ignorant of it. How can a philosophy be a religion without a god or acknowledgement of one? That is why you sound ignorant. I do not mean to insult you but Buddhist have figured out the earth was round far before Catholics and also discovered cellular activity without modern day microscopes. I wouldn’t call that false in the slightest. Catholics lead their people to holy wars and Buddhist’s had…no wars.
Do not mock what you do not know because there is a Buddhist on this forum and calling it religion would only make you seem like a troll. This is why Asian Christian do not give up Buddhism because it doesn’t conflict with their religion. Almost all Buddhist I have known have a religion (which isn’t Buddhism). Normally it is Hinduism or Christianity. Because Buddhism has no religious teachings.

I wish you peace and do not mean to insult you. But your words make you seem arrogant

See you on the other side

 

[Elizium23]

If Buddhism is so compatible with Catholicism, then why aren’t a high percentage of Catholics, or Christians, doing it? Why in Asian countries do we find a dichotomy of Christians and Buddhists? Which Popes and Church Fathers and Doctors of the Church have written extensive documents about how holy Buddhism is, how right it is that we should blend it with Catholicism, how commendable it is that many people should take two paths to salvation?

You need to provide us positive proof of acceptability from the Church that is the guardian of True Doctrine and Faith. Your continued plaintive cries against us, the example of one solitary priest (how many ordained Catholic priests are there in the world?) from an order not renowned for its faithfulness, and continued vague assertions about the nature of Eastern philosophies and religions is not convincing me. I believe only in the inspired Word of God. Not one single word of the New Testament is devoted to the Buddha, despite his existence for centuries before Our Lord’s birth. Not one word of Jesus was spent on saying what a great guy that Buddha was, a holy prophet, let me quote you some of his teachings so that you will be edified. Not one word. Surely someone so famous and so influential and so holy would have already been revered by that time and integrated into the blossoming faith of Christians.

Sorry, I don’t buy it!

 

[andrewstx]

The religous combo I find most interesting is “messianic judaism” they manage to be somehow both, but to me in reality neither.

Real Jews do not accept them at all as jewish, and main-stream Christians do not accept them as Christian.

BTW, my MD is Phillipino and somehow tries to be Catholic and Buddist at once. I think that is somewhat common in the Phillipines.

 

[SaitanaKeDasa]

You’re are the arrogant one here since you don’t understand Christianity and seem to be teaching people to accept false teachings. I don’t mock Buddhism, but just telling people the orthodox position from a Catholic perspective that it is NOT compatible. And yes, you did insult Catholicism by saying that Catholics lead people to war. Catholicism build the West as can be seen from all the Cathedrals and churches whereas Buddhism didn’t do anything to the world. My message is clear, stop infiltrating false teachings in Christianity. Clearly, you don’t know what it is about as you have mentioned by your ignorant posts.

I was a Christian and lived with Catholics dude. I never said Catholicism leads to war. I compared it to Buddhism. Even the Bible mentions violence while Buddhism mentions none what so ever. Your arrogance got displayed again. You are making my post more then what they are. You are finding nonexistent motives in my posts.
You just directly called Buddhism a false religion when it is not false because it is not a religion. You know only Catholicism while i Know Sanatana Dharma, Satanism, Thelema, Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism and Islam. And I have tried all of them . I studied their various teachings and I just found that a mixture of Dharma and Satanism was right for me. You are hekari ke-dasa.
The issue is you are a purist which I like and admire but the issue I find wrong with you is that you will find no peace and happiness in life. You create strife even though it is unintentional.

I do not wish to corrupt Christianity and i noticed you spent most of your time saying “convert to Catholicism” not Christianity when it is just a basic fact Catholicism is a impure version of Christianity. I find nothing wrong with this as Catholicism gained knowledge by NOT creating war. It simply adapted and moved on. It took non bad ideas from native European religions and moved on. This is why I prefer Catholicism over regular Christianity because it is naturally more liberal and has a greater viewpoint of matters. I do not mean liberal in a bad way.
You also insulted Buddhism again saying it did nothing to the world. Buddhism which is a Dharmic faith and the equal of Hinduism has more adherents then Catholicism and took charge of empires if you know your history. Dharmic faiths also recorded the stars and even cellular life far before Christianity and Catholicism came along. Dharmic theology are actually the oldest theologies known to mankind that still exist.
You argument is that you wish to keep Catholicism pure the same way I wish to keep suffering and war alive.
I applaud you but you shouldn’t be worrying because someone thinks differently then you. Buddhism is just a thought hence the word philosophy and theology. So your argument towards me is also that you do not wish to see a person think differently. This is how you literally sound. And it sounds very bad and it is also dangerous.

Peace out brother, find happiness in this life and the next :angel1:

 

[CMatt25]

Yeah, well, if what you want is to maintain your own way of seeing things, while adding pieces and parts from everywhere to decorate your life, that might work for you in a way. Some people choose to do this.

Yes it works for those who don’t need every “i” dotted and "t’ crossed for them. Some do need this and simply are not comfortable unless they have someone interpeting everything for them and they need to believe they know the Truth. Others though along their faith journeys need to explore, to reason, to experience various traditions, to think for themselves as they too search for the Truth. They don’t have as much of a need to think human finite minds can know everything with certainty. Nothing wrong with either. It’s just different personality make-ups is all it is. No two people are exactly the same. God created us all. We are all His children and He loves us all.

 

[SaitanaKeDasa]

It is true that I want people to become Catholics. Reason is that I wish for them to be in paradise and be with the Lord. Though, I am not God to no judge anyone and I’m deeply sorry if I offended you. But again, Christ is the way. I won’t force you or anyone to accept him. What I can do is pray, prayer being my mightiest weapon

Being a sadistic weirdo with no feelings I spend my time studying emotions perhaps because I have very little. But I was a Christian once and did my best to convert others and it worked well. My observations have shown this…
If you wish to convert a person do not offer them your prayer because to outsiders it seems arrogant and do not offer tragedies (like hell or saying God will get you). Offer them not hope, knowledge or happiness because people often think they have found it. Nor offer them wealth, peace,dogma or the Bible itself.
But offer them friendship.
We can find everything but friendship without a separate person. You do not need others to find knowledge, happiness, or hope but in a world where everyone wants a friend. Offering your presence is more valuable to others. This is why Christianity succeeds so well because god is your friend. God becomes your closet chum and the only buddy that won’t quit on you. I am not saying praying doesn’t work but it cannot change a person’s heart because only YOU can do that. Or a set serious of tragic events etc etc etc but getting back on topic…
People always want to be “like that guy” or have a friend they can trust and no matter how much they say “i do not like Christians or Muslims or gays” that in reality no one really cares. It all comes down to feeling loved and actually being loved. The more friendship you offer the more of God you give to them. THEN you can take them out to a church meeting and bash them on the head every time they do not pray.

But if you wish to convert a person quickly I recommend an AMD-65 AKM rifle.
Hey not all of us are patient or loving! Because I sure as h*ll ain’t

Also I notice you spend a lot of time online. I think someone needs a lady friend

 

[SteveVH]

Yes it works for those who don’t need every “i” dotted and "t’ crossed for them. Some do need this and simply are not comfortable unless they have someone interpeting everything for them and they need to believe they know the Truth.

If you mean we want our beliefs interpreted in the light of Apostolic teaching you are right. You say it as if one who submits to the Church’s teaching does so due to some lack of ability to reason or think for themselves.

Others though along their faith journeys need to explore, to reason, to experience various traditions, to think for themselves as they too search for the Truth.

Searching for what is comfortable; for what “fits my way of doing things” is not a search for truth, but rather a search for convenience. A little of this and a little of that is nothing more than tickling our fancies. Christ is the Truth. He founded a Church and promised to remain with it until the end of time, leading it into all truth through the Holy Spirit. We are part of a family, the Church, the Body of Christ. It is not about me and my search based upon my personal whims and desires. It is about receiving and accepting the truth already given to the Church by the Apostles and their successors. If one claims to have found this truth then there is no need to search elsewhere: “To whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.”

They don’t have as much of a need to think human finite minds can know everything with certainty.

The only certainty we have is in Jesus Christ. If we have certainty in Christ then we can have certainty in the Church he founded because, as he promised, he remains with it until the end of time. It is not about doing our will, it is about doing God’s will.