Religion differences

[Zahava]

The only people that raises my eyebrows are the muslims and hindus.

I am so glad you did not include Jews in your eyebrow raising - Though we do not have a television at home, I read about CNN’s God’s Warriors - and what was said about the Jews was all propaganda. She interviewed Leftists which could care less about Judaism.

 

[johnknoesel]

The only ones I see today espousing bigotry and intolerance are those who do not believe, they all say they believe in freedom but only if it is what they agree with as soon as someone challenges that belief that is when they want them shut up. The minority in this country have managed to get my freedoms curtailed. Because of atheists like Madeline Murray O’Hare freedom of speech has been curtailed. Well there are those of us who are fighting back. I hope and pray that you turn your face to God and see the Light of His Truth.

Thank you for the stimulating conversation.

Yours in Christ
John

 

[AgnosTheist]

I am so glad you did not include Jews in your eyebrow raising - Though we do not have a television at home, I read about CNN’s God’s Warriors - and what was said about the Jews was all propaganda. She interviewed Leftists which could care less about Judaism.

I have a lot of respect for Jews. I like the fact that you dont care what other people believe so long as they leave you alone. And the fact that for a very few people, you have contributed so much to human progress.

 

[Zahava]

I have a lot of respect for Jews. I like the fact that you dont care what other people believe so long as they leave you alone. And the fact that for a very few people, you have contributed so much to human progress.

Thanks Agnos! Yep, few in number we are and after all these years the Yidden are still here - when the Greek and Roman Empire, etc have vanished. Makes one think.

 

[boog123]

You believe in the Divine, I am not quite sure what that is. Maybe you can explain it in detail so the rest of us can understand what that is.

So by reading your posts and replies you are what most would consider to a an Agnostic but leaning toward atheism hence your handle AgnosTheist.

Let me ask you this. Are you willing to gamble on your immortal soul going to Hell while the Devil laughs at you and all the others saying see I fooled you all and now you are mine for eternity and then you look up and Jesus is looking down with tears in eyes weeping for you and the rest in Hell. Satan’s biggest lie is the fact that he has convinced so many like you that not only does God not exist but that he does not exist either and therefore it is ok to do whatever makes you happy as long as you do not hurt anyone else in the process.

I really feel sorry for you and I will say a prayer for you and I hope that you will someday see the Light of Christ.

Yours in the Love of Christ
John

will u really say a prayer for him or are you just saying that, it kills me sometimes to hear a christian of 1 denomination say that to a man or woman of another, it’s almost like the perfect comeback in an argument “i’ll pray for u” end of discussion, i win, i said i’ll pray for u first, no coming back from that, not realizing that that other CHRISTIAN does not care, because according to him he’s right and your wrong, then the question becomes, do u really pray for the person when u say that, i’ll bet most of the time the answer is no, but of course we don’t know that which makes the internet such a cool thing, or maybe u did pray for him which makes u a very nice person, maybe u are a real catholic and not someone who just uses the church to their advantage and only seems to make claim to the catholic faith when they are around other catholics, btw, i’m sure there are some on this forum, most likely alot, hope your not 1 of them, if so then “i’ll pray for u”
really i mean it, not just saying that to have the last word.


“spread the gospels, NOT YOURS, the bibles”

 

[johnknoesel]

Boog123,

I say what I mean and I mean what I say. If you look back in the previous discussions with Agnos you will see that I said that several times and when he continued the conversation I did not just ignore him I continued the conversation.

So here is my prayer for him and all those who do not believe.

Father in Heaven I pray that you reveal your divine truth to all those who reject you and your love for them. I pray that you will continue to use me as an instrument for your need. I pray this prayer in the name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen.

 

[AgnosTheist]

The only ones I see today espousing bigotry and intolerance are those who do not believe, they all say they believe in freedom but only if it is what they agree with as soon as someone challenges that belief that is when they want them shut up. The minority in this country have managed to get my freedoms curtailed. Because of atheists like Madeline Murray O’Hare freedom of speech has been curtailed. Well there are those of us who are fighting back. I hope and pray that you turn your face to God and see the Light of His Truth.

You have a very narrow view if that is all that you can see. How about the muslim world, like Saudi Arabia? What about the Lord’s Resistance Army? Catholics are off the hook now, but just 400 years ago they made hell out of entire nations, particularly the natives of the americas and the philippines.

 

[johnknoesel]

Oh now see I was wondering how long it would before you pulled that one out. Yes people in the Catholic Church have made many mistakes in the past and even today because guess what we are human and we make mistakes that why God humbled himself and became man. Ok you go to the place about bigotry and intolerance, lets go. The media today call Christians intolerant bigots because we speak the truth from the scriptures. However that same media who has no clue what the Quaran really says defends the muslims. If they actually sat down a spoke the truth about Islam they would find that Islam is the most violent, intolerant and bigoted faith there is.
When a Christian makes a statement that homosexuality is wrong and against God’s natural law they are labeled a bigot or intolerant. However if the non-muslim world is attacked by muslims then the media says that well we brought it on ourselves. No we did not. People like you who do not want to hear the truth because most of the time there might be something to it always use the intolerant bigot rhetoric that is so sad. Now I do not know exactly for certain who will and will not go to Heaven, I am not God, I do know one thing that the gift of Heaven is just that a gift and we can choose to accept that gift or reject it. When you accept Him you are accepting the gift of Heaven when you reject Him you are rejecting the gift of Heaven. We as Christians all go through the dark times in our lives sometimes we question God but at least we question Him that means we believe in Him, I do not think he minds us questioning Him he did make us with intellect you know. He loves us all and He wants us with Him for eternity He does not want to lose us to the satans grasp.

Just think about it very carefully, read some good Christian writers about the the truths of Christianity not just the bad stuff that happened but wonders and beauty.

Yours in Christ
John

 

[AgnosTheist]

People like you who do not want to hear the truth because most of the time there might be something to it always use the intolerant bigot rhetoric that is so sad.

hey i’m the one who brought out that entire islam issue. i even said that catholics are off the hook now. I was just making the point that if there is a devil out there, its nothing but us humans. we are our own devils. hell is what we make of it.

Just think about it very carefully, read some good Christian writers about the the truths of Christianity not just the bad stuff that happened but wonders and beauty.

overall christianity had become a good thing. its just sad to see you guys bashing each other.

 

[boog123]

Agnos,

It does not matter whether or not you are a good person and it is not the position of the Church that Catholics are better than other Christian faiths it is that Catholics have the fullness of the Christian Faith because we have the Sacraments and all the beauty that goes with it.

Your Brother in Christ Jesus
John

so it’s like high school, i bet thats why there are more catholics than any other denomination.
here is my personal belief (and i know u guys and gals are gonna come full force with your comebacks and reasons of why i’m wrong and “i will pray for you’s”) christianity is a beautiful thing a beautiful religion, i’ve come across alot of good christians. that being said while the religion itself is beautiful, the people that follow or claim to follow (not all of u by the way but alot) aren’t always beautiful. lets take slavery for example, not the fact that there were alot of christian slave owners (another topic to itself) but ask yourself this, if slavery were never abolished and blacks and latinos and everyone else who is not white were bought and sold to this day, where would we be, how many of us would be owners of people and not think about it for 1 sec, how many of u on this forum would say, u know what i’m a catholic this is wrong, i’m gonna take a stand and fight for black people.
with a common sense answer, how many popes probably had slaves.
as a matter of fact, how many of you on this forum are yourself racist, i bet none, just like all the prisoners in a maximum security prison claim their inocence.
the problem is not the faith, not the religion, but the followers of that religion.
alot of you will say, “i can’t control other’s actions” or “yeah your right but they will be punished by the lord”.
and the debate will go on and on and on
u’ll say your right, i’ll say i’m right
and lemme guess u’ll “pray for me”

have a good night everyone

“spread the gospels, not your opinions of them”
:angel1:

 

[paarsurrey]

Ok, I can see a lot of us will never agree with what others believe.
We even get very heated to get our points across.
There is even thread after thread about differences in religion and a lot of it is just rehashed stuff brought up again.
The point I guess im trying to make is, we are never going to agree with the differences, so why persist on trying to get others to see your religions point of view?
For example, what i believe, the catholic religion, is right (yes this is my opinion), i believe Jesus died on the cross and gave his life for us. But, and for example, others on here continue to insist Jesus lived and died in India. Im never going to believe that, its continually brought up again and again and again.
Do you think continuing putting your views across will actually get another person to leave their religion to join yours?
And no, this is not aimed at only Paarsurrey, there are plenty of others that do it as well…

Hi

As long as I give rational and reasonable arguments, you should not have any objection. I don’t have any objection on you. When we have joined here in this discussion forum, it presupposes that there are differences that have to be sorted out here, so why complain. The understanding could be slow, but it is always there, they say never shut the door of dialogue. You have a choice to pick up the truth from what everybody presents here or leave it and remain steadfast on your present faith, no compulsion.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

Hold on gang,

Remember the one most important thing that we as Christian and most especially Catholic, it is our responsibility to put forth the truths of the Faith passed on to us from Christ to the Apostles to the Early Church on so on. If we do not do this then we are remise in our responsibility. That does not mean we allow this to become heated nor take offense we must correct in a most patient and loving manner. Remember we can only plant the seed then maybe they will come back to us for water and sunlight, if not then you may not be able to change them. Do not take it personally just pray for them.

Christ Our Lord, bless our efforts and helps to be steadfast, patient and loving.

Preach the Gospel and when necessary use words.

John

 

[paarsurrey]

Remember the one most important thing that we as Christian and most especially Catholic, it is our responsibility to put forth the truths of the Faith passed on to us from Christ to the Apostles to the Early Church on so on. If we do not do this then we are remise in our responsibility. That does not mean we allow this to become heated nor take offense we must correct in a most patient and loving manner. Remember we can only plant the seed then maybe they will come back to us for water and sunlight, if not then you may not be able to change them. Do not take it personally just pray for them.

Hi

I appreciate you post.Your approach is very good.

Thanks

 

[johnknoesel]

Hey Boog,

Why is that you and so many others bring up the slavery and racist issue which had nothing whatsoever to do with this topic. The Catholic Church has always condemned slavery if you look back in history you will find this to be a stone cold fact. Yes there were some very bad and even evil popes in the past. If you go back in history I would bet you do not really know who sold the captives into slavery. Black Muslims selling other blacks did that because they saw these people as animals and not worthy of anything else. I know of no latino enslavement or enslavlement just because of the color of ones skin other than what happened here in this country. Enslavement of a people because of color, faith or any other differences is one of the most evil acts there is. If you go into the scriptures you will find many references to slaves excluding Egypt enslaving the whole of Israel and his people for no other reason than free labor. Slaves are condoned in scripture but it is not enslavement. There were bond slaves who worked off debts etc… yet the person they were bonded to had a responsiblity toward them, he had to feed and care for them until the debt was fulfilled and they would be release from that debt. Remember this was in Hebrew traditions. Slavery and enslavement are two different things and should not be confused. In this country we had evil people who bought and sold human beings like cattle that is enslavement and it was wrong. Ok enough about that issue. Now to the issue of what you stated about most of us on this forum being racist and that is what you said, you have no clue who or what we are and I personally take a real offense to that. Now regarding your other statement. It is my responsibility as a Christian not just a Catholic to rebuke someone when they are doing wrong, firstly in private and if they ignore me then publicly and if they still ignore me then yes it then becomes an issue between them and God, however God will look at me when I go before the judgment seat and say you did what I told you to do. You seem to offended by my statement regarding that I will pray for someone, I do not understand that at all but here it comes my friend.

Father in Heaven and creator of all we see I pray to you that you open the eyes, mind and heart of Boog123 that he will see your abundant love and forgiveness. I pray you will open his heart to your truth. I pray this prayer in the name your precious Son Jesus Christ. In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
May the Lord be with you.

John

 

[dolphinlove]

Hi

As long as I give rational and reasonable arguments, you should not have any objection. I don’t have any objection on you. When we have joined here in this discussion forum, it presupposes that there are differences that have to be sorted out here, so why complain. The understanding could be slow, but it is always there, they say never shut the door of dialogue. You have a choice to pick up the truth from what everybody presents here or leave it and remain steadfast on your present faith, no compulsion.

Thanks

Not complaining, just wondering if people think repeating the same thing over and over is necessary…

 

[boog123]

Hey Boog,

Why is that you and so many others bring up the slavery and racist issue which had nothing whatsoever to do with this topic. The Catholic Church has always condemned slavery if you look back in history you will find this to be a stone cold fact. Yes there were some very bad and even evil popes in the past. If you go back in history I would bet you do not really know who sold the captives into slavery. Black Muslims selling other blacks did that because they saw these people as animals and not worthy of anything else. I know of no latino enslavement or enslavlement just because of the color of ones skin other than what happened here in this country. Enslavement of a people because of color, faith or any other differences is one of the most evil acts there is. If you go into the scriptures you will find many references to slaves excluding Egypt enslaving the whole of Israel and his people for no other reason than free labor. Slaves are condoned in scripture but it is not enslavement. There were bond slaves who worked off debts etc… yet the person they were bonded to had a responsiblity toward them, he had to feed and care for them until the debt was fulfilled and they would be release from that debt. Remember this was in Hebrew traditions. Slavery and enslavement are two different things and should not be confused. In this country we had evil people who bought and sold human beings like cattle that is enslavement and it was wrong. Ok enough about that issue. Now to the issue of what you stated about most of us on this forum being racist and that is what you said, you have no clue who or what we are and I personally take a real offense to that. Now regarding your other statement. It is my responsibility as a Christian not just a Catholic to rebuke someone when they are doing wrong, firstly in private and if they ignore me then publicly and if they still ignore me then yes it then becomes an issue between them and God, however God will look at me when I go before the judgment seat and say you did what I told you to do. You seem to offended by my statement regarding that I will pray for someone, I do not understand that at all but here it comes my friend.

Father in Heaven and creator of all we see I pray to you that you open the eyes, mind and heart of Boog123 that he will see your abundant love and forgiveness. I pray you will open his heart to your truth. I pray this prayer in the name your precious Son Jesus Christ. In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
May the Lord be with you.

John

no the catholic church has not always condemed slavery, they actually tolerated it for a good while even when they began to publicly condemn it, no need in me continuing because u guys and gals have your faith and i have mine, it’s 1 of the most beautiful things we humans were given free will to make up our own mind, i think it’s great that you have so much faith John as do i in just belief in god, hopefully 1 day all religions can just decide that even though don’t believe the same atleast we all have faith in god, whether christian, muslim or jew, christians don’t point to radical islam, which is not really islam just a cover for a bunch of political wants, lets not blame kuluxclansmen who claim to be christians but are evil, lets not blame the jews during the time of jesus, in order to stop alot of bloodshed we can only try and at least ACT as if we are not better than anyone else.
if u look at muslims or jews as your enemies which u probably don’t but still, love them, thats what jesus taught
meaning not only should u not start the argument, don’t even try to finish it, there is no such thing as a friendly argument when it has to do with your way of life.
if i see something or hear or read something i do not like i will argue, i’m wrong, yes, according to u not me.
it’s hard for me as a non catholic to not look at “i will pray for u” as sarcasm, when u know that the person your praying for does not believe in that, thanks for praying for me, but what would i care.
it like a millionare saying to a homeless person after an argument “later, i’m going back to my mansion”.
if your gonna pray for me just pray
i appreciate it

 

[johnknoesel]

Hmm, I seem to have struck a sore spot with you, that was not my intention here and I apologize. My intention is only to correct incorrect perceptions and incorrect interpretations. I have been seriously studying Islam and the bloodthirsty founder of Islam who slaughtered innocent Christians because they refused to convert to Islam and this was long before the crusades and the inquisition.
The sole reason for the start of the crusade was because Islam had conquered Jerusalem and other Holy Hebrew/Christian places murdering in the name of Allah. Yes some crusaders were thieving and greedy people but the majority went for the right reasons. The blood was first shed by Islam and is still be shed by Islam there is no difference. The Quaran teaches that if they do not convert then they are to be killed that is the truth about Islam. The Jews are not the ones who went after Christ that was Pharisees, the Hebrew people loved Christ but they feared the Pharisees, Herod and most of all Rome. I do not blame any Jew for what occurred, just like I do not blame all Germans for what the Nazi’s did to the Jewish people of Europe. By the time they realized what was really going on it was too late Hitler and is monsters were already to powerful. I am so very sorry that you feel I am being sarcastic when I say that I will pray for you sounds to me like you have some very bad experiences with Christians who talk out both sides of their mouths and believe you me there are far to many of those out there both Catholic and Non-Catholic alike. I hope that you will find some good Christian friends that walk the talk as I like to say. I am not perfect by any means because if I was why would I need Jesus. Well I think we have far beyond this forum but I would really like to continue discussing things with you. If you would like that then please feel free to email me.

John

 

[boog123]

that sounds good enought to me, later.

boog
"Do not judge so that you will not be judged. "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? "Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)