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Their response: how dare you Islamphobes bring this up, 1700 years ago the Christians did blank, it was the Jews, Bush is responsible, it is all lies, show us your sources…take you pick.
 
When are we, as Christians going to do something about this kind of thing. Also, when are the Islamic leaders going to speak out to stop it.
I don’t understand why any Christian would want to live in such a place. It doesn’t seem to me that these Islamic countries produce anything, apart from oil, that anyone else wants. Once the oil is gone, they will revert to whatever they were doing before the oil. I think we should just leave them to their idiocy and let nature run its course. Any Christian who voluntarily lives in such a place can’t complain when he/she is forced to live under their system of laws.
 
I don’t understand why any Christian would want to live in such a place. It doesn’t seem to me that these Islamic countries produce anything, apart from oil, that anyone else wants. Once the oil is gone, they will revert to whatever they were doing before the oil. I think we should just leave them to their idiocy and let nature run its course. Any Christian who voluntarily lives in such a place can’t complain when he/she is forced to live under their system of laws.
Because it’s their home! They should be allowed to live in their own home, right? What, would you have the 8 million Christians living in Egypt just leave?! That is ridiculous. These people are martyrs for the faith - they should have our prayers and our veneration!
 
Because it’s their home! They should be allowed to live in their own home, right? What, would you have the 8 million Christians living in Egypt just leave?! That is ridiculous. These people are martyrs for the faith - they should have our prayers and our veneration!
Absolutely right. We might forget that Turkey was once a country where the majority of the population was Catholic. It is now 99% Muslim.

Do we tell the priests who are trying to build Catholic missions in those lands that they should leave? This is a surrender and a policy of despair. The idea is “we can’t ever convert them, so just retreat to a safe place”. Well the problem is that those safe places keep shrinking and more people become Moslem – why? Well for one thing there are no priests and the presence of Christ is leaving the Islamic areas and people are blinded and confused, all they know is Islam.

We have to keep praying and working to bring light to the people of Islam. And yes, those who have suffered and died for the Faith should be honored and venerated. We need their strength and conviction!
 
I think from now on…when a Christian does something abhorrent I’m going to make a post titled

“The religion of Christ is” (insert attrocity here)
 
I think from now on…when a Christian does something abhorrent I’m going to make a post titled

“The religion of Christ is” (insert attrocity here)
I think really, the point should be made that the tendency of Islamo-fascists is to oppress any who are not Muslim. Notice there is an implied current time frame to this situation, whereas when Christians (in the name of Christianity) did “something abhorrent” is long past. Another point is that, Christian leaders typically and consistantly decry “aborrent” actions committed in the name of Christ…is the same true of Muslims?

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The point is that what fundamentalist and reactionary regimes do today in the name of Islam (Wahhabism is more modern innovation) is not neccessarily in line with the religion of Islam itself and certainly does not represent the spirit of progress that the Islamic empire once exhibited and in which Islam itself was birthed in.

Are there significant problems in the Middle East? Certainly. Can we say that it has moved on from all the barbaric (by modern standards) elements of society of which all pre-enlightenment socities exhibited…I don’t think we can. This is not say, however, that these barbaric elements exist because of Islam for they certainly existed in other forms in other cultures.

The problem is not Islam, the problem is a reactionary religious fundamentalism that clings to the past as a way of resisting the onslaught of religion feared by secularization. If some of the Christian fundamentalists we see today had the authority and governing abilities of many current Islamic governments I suspect we would see similar barbarism.
 
Because it’s their home! They should be allowed to live in their own home, right? What, would you have the 8 million Christians living in Egypt just leave?! That is ridiculous. These people are martyrs for the faith - they should have our prayers and our veneration!
And Egypt was a Coptic Christian country centuries before Arab muslims took it by force. So Christians there have as much right to call it home as those Arab muslims do.
 
I think from now on…when a Christian does something abhorrent I’m going to make a post titled

“The religion of Christ is” (insert attrocity here)
The simple difference my friend, is that a Christian who does something abhorrent in the name of religion and God is immediately condemned by most other Christians.

Frankly I can’t really say the same for muslims.
 
The simple difference my friend, is that a Christian who does something abhorrent in the name of religion and God is immediately condemned by most other Christians.

Frankly I can’t really say the same for muslims.
Yes…rather than cheered on by them. The problem is that Islam encourages its people to be violent. It is even in their prayers. Here, for example are a couple of examples of how the Islamic faith thinks about Jews.

Consider this prayer from the Hadith: “And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’” In fairness, they usually save that one for the high holidays, like the “Festival of the Six Dead Jews” or “Honor Killing Week.”

Nor this one, also from the Hadith: “The Prophet said: ‘The Hour will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them. The Muslims will kill the Jews. Rejoice! Rejoice in Allah’s victory!’” (Is it just me, or might some fanatic twist those words into an excuse to kill Jews?)

Religion of Peace? I think not.
 
Because it’s their home! They should be allowed to live in their own home, right? What, would you have the 8 million Christians living in Egypt just leave?! That is ridiculous. These people are martyrs for the faith - they should have our prayers and our veneration!
The lady’s name (Cecelia John Holland) appeared to me to be a western name, not a Sudanese one. I assumed from that, though the article linked did not give that info, that she was not a native. I assumed, maybe wrongly, that she was a visitor, a do-gooder, a missionary, or whatnot.

However, to use a fairly recent example: During the 1930s there began an exodus of Jews from Europe, especially Germany, consisting of smart people who saw what was coming and decided to leave their homelands, where their ancestors had lived for perhaps centuries. Subsequent events of the 1940s proved those who left to have taken the correct course of action. What is happening in Islam today, with extremism and religious fundamentalism taking over, is not something that is going to likely just go away in a few years. People whom these extremists view as their enemies are very likely to perish in the coming years. I agree that we need to help them, especially thru prayer, and maybe by helping them to get out before things get worse.
 
Well the problem is that those safe places keep shrinking and more people become Moslem – why? Well for one thing there are no priests and the presence of Christ is leaving the Islamic areas and people are blinded and confused, all they know is Islam.
I disagree. The situation in the world is very different now than it was in the ages when Islam was a powerful conquering empire, converting countries by the sword. Nobody can get away with that sort of behavior anymore. And besides, Islam is a pathetic, corrupt group of peoples who are mostly at war with each other. We should protect ourselves from these people, no question. But to project upon them powers they do not, will never, possess, such as an ability to conquer and dominate outside of their current homelands, is wrong. In fact, we feed their hatreds by involving ourselves with them, such as we are in Iraq. I believe that their ultimate demise will be hastened if we leave them to their civil wars and cultural decline. Soon enough, the oil will be gone, and then we will find them financially bankrupt and probably holding a lot less territory than they do today.
 
gnosis

*I think from now on…when a Christian does something abhorrent I’m going to make a post titled

“The religion of Christ is” (insert attrocity here)*

So tell us, when recently did you hear of an atrocity committed in the name of Christ?

This should be interesting.
 
I disagree. The situation in the world is very different now than it was in the ages when Islam was a powerful conquering empire, converting countries by the sword. Nobody can get away with that sort of behavior anymore. And besides, Islam is a pathetic, corrupt group of peoples who are mostly at war with each other. We should protect ourselves from these people, no question. But to project upon them powers they do not, will never, possess, such as an ability to conquer and dominate outside of their current homelands, is wrong. In fact, we feed their hatreds by involving ourselves with them, such as we are in Iraq. I believe that their ultimate demise will be hastened if we leave them to their civil wars and cultural decline. Soon enough, the oil will be gone, and then we will find them financially bankrupt and probably holding a lot less territory than they do today.
Please do .

Everey westerner should leave every muslim country alone and go back to his country and forget that the muslim country ever existed.

If Muslims would have that there will definetly be peace.

I vote for you to become a president of the US if you were really truthful

thanks

meedo
 
Please do .

Everey westerner should leave every muslim country alone and go back to his country and forget that the muslim country ever existed.

If Muslims would have that there will definetly be peace.

I vote for you to become a president of the US if you were really truthful

thanks

meedo
This is my truthful opinion. But don’t imagine that I harbor affection for certain violent and oppressive Islamic behaviors… I don’t. My opinion is called “isolationist” by many of my fellow countryment, who claim that I advocate a “retreat” from involvment in the world. However, I only advocate a decisive disentanglement from Islam, to the extent possible. It should be obvious to all, now, that Islam is incapable of joining the rest of us in the modern world. Where I disagree with most of the so-called “conservatives” and so-called “zionist Christians” especially in the U.S., is in the harebrained idea that we can foster a move towards civilization in the various backward Islamic regions, or that we can, by sending our armed children into their midst, help them to know and love us. Our efforts in these areas have been counterproductive. Instead, we should, to the extent possible, seal ourselves off from them, let them continue the cultural deterioration that has been in progress for several lifetimes, and await the inevitable exhaustion of their only resource of value: petroleum. Petroleum is the only reason we pay any attention at all to Islam.
 
This is my truthful opinion. But don’t imagine that I harbor affection for certain violent and oppressive Islamic behaviors… I don’t. My opinion is called “isolationist” by many of my fellow countryment, who claim that I advocate a “retreat” from involvment in the world. However, I only advocate a decisive disentanglement from Islam, to the extent possible. It should be obvious to all, now, that Islam is incapable of joining the rest of us in the modern world. Where I disagree with most of the so-called “conservatives” and so-called “zionist Christians” especially in the U.S., is in the harebrained idea that we can foster a move towards civilization in the various backward Islamic regions, or that we can, by sending our armed children into their midst, help them to know and love us. Our efforts in these areas have been counterproductive. Instead, we should, to the extent possible, seal ourselves off from them, let them continue the cultural deterioration that has been in progress for several lifetimes, and await the inevitable exhaustion of their only resource of value: petroleum. Petroleum is the only reason we pay any attention at all to Islam.
I agree with you .

Let muslims deal themselves. America shouldnt be supporting dictatorships or funding governments or any of that . Just forget that any muslim country ever existed.

I also propose that america shouldnt export or import anything from muslims.

why wait til the oil runs ? america has the technology to get everything going without oil , why depend on the gulf countries?

The world should leave muslims alone , not buy or sell anything from them whatsoever never interferes in their affairs and foret they ever existed.

that seems to be the only soloution

salam
 
I also propose that america shouldnt export or import anything from muslims.

why wait til the oil runs ? america has the technology to get everything going without oil , why depend on the gulf countries?

The world should leave muslims alone , not buy or sell anything from them whatsoever never interferes in their affairs and foret they ever existed.

that seems to be the only soloution

salam
We agree again! I’ve advocated precisely this for several years. I strongly believe that the civilized world can live without Arab oil. If we want to hasten their inevitable decline, we could do nothing more effective than decisively NOT buying their only significant export. This is very do-able, and would have several very positive side-effects in our countries, such as reduced pollution, increased efficiency, etc. But, the best part of this idea is this: The Arab oil would mostly stay in the ground while the Islamic structures are collapsing above, and could be pumped out at some much later date when it could be exported by more civilized regimes and used by more efficient economies. It is a win-win idea, and one which we should promote. Unfortunately, it would require a declaration of economic war against many, if not most, Islamic nations. While the outcome of this war is not in doubt, the ethical considerations are enormous, in terms of suffering innocents. Still, I wonder if Shock and Awe is less unethical. I suspect not.
 
I agree with you .

Let muslims deal themselves. America shouldnt be supporting dictatorships or funding governments or any of that . Just forget that any muslim country ever existed.

I also propose that america shouldnt export or import anything from muslims.

why wait til the oil runs ? america has the technology to get everything going without oil , why depend on the gulf countries?

The world should leave muslims alone , not buy or sell anything from them whatsoever never interferes in their affairs and foret they ever existed.

that seems to be the only soloution

salam
That would be fine as long Muslims stay in their own countries and stop immigrating to other countries with the intention of eventually undermining their governments and setting up the inhuman shariah law and the “caliphate”! :cool:
 
That would be fine as long Muslims stay in their own countries and stop immigrating to other countries with the intention of eventually undermining their governments and setting up the inhuman shariah law and the “caliphate”! :cool:
The thing is, they can’t stop. The Koran commands them to make war. If they do not, they are not in compliance with the Kroan.
 
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