Religion of violence

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FireFromHeaven said:
Sorry to break my silence on Islam. I didnt answer all the other posts on islam because this thread is not about islam. However this comment crossed the line.

So our violence is all right but theirs isn’t? I’m quite sure theirs can be too.
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The difference is that our violence was specific, theirs is general and enduring. There is a difference between the just wars of the Israelites and the standing order to wage war against anyone and everyone who isn’t under the dominion of Islam.
 
FireFromHeaven said:
Sorry to break my silence on Islam. I didnt answer all the other posts on islam because this thread is not about islam. However this comment crossed the line.

So our violence is all right but theirs isn’t? I’m quite sure theirs can be explained too. Unless I missed the Quran verse on baby killing being a required rite of worship like the religions in this discussion.
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I like you would prefer not be so rude or uncharitable as to call these attempted worshippers of Abraham’s God names or followers of a “religion of violence” but let’s not pretend equivalence on that issue - there is no way and nowhere the bible gives ongoing scriptural authority to you and I to do wanton acts of murder, dismemberment, ambush killings, beheadings, murder our grandchildren and children etc… - and that’s before you get to the hadiiths where the real crazy-town is that most people (disingenuously in my opinion, because they are not universally accepted/followed) love to quote to make Islam sound “ooga booga” scary.

We can be charitable and decent to followers of false religions without having to do our own wonderful faith a disservice, I think.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
The difference is that our violence was specific, theirs is general and enduring. There is a difference between the just wars of the Israelites and the standing order to wage war against anyone and everyone who isn’t under the dominion of Islam.
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Any Muslim can tell you the orders for violence in the Quran apply only when the Muslim community is attacked, specifically against the persecuting medinans.
 
ephesians4 said:
I like you would prefer not be so rude or uncharitable as to call these attempted worshippers of Abraham’s God names or followers of a “religion of violence” but let’s not pretend equivalence on that issue - there is no way and nowhere the bible gives ongoing scriptural authority to you and I to do wanton acts of murder, dismemberment, ambush killings, beheadings, murder our grandchildren and children etc… - and that’s before you get to the hadiiths where the real crazy-town is that most people (disingenuously in my opinion, because they are not universally accepted/followed) love to quote to make Islam sound “ooga booga” scary.

We can be charitable and decent to followers of false religions without having to do our own wonderful faith a disservice, I think.
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You are right. I was getting angry there. My point was not to insult our faith. It was to point out how people, mainly more hard line atheists, love to distort our scriptures to show us as violent nutjobs. I am trying to point out that we are doing the same to the muslims. Thank you for calling me back from a hate filled rant.
 
FireFromHeaven said:
Sorry to break my silence on Islam. I didnt answer all the other posts on islam because this thread is not about islam. However this comment crossed the line.

So our violence is all right but theirs isn’t? I’m quite sure theirs can be explained too. Unless I missed the Quran verse on baby killing being a required rite of worship like the religions in this discussion.
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You sure your not Muslim, either that or you dont know your history, we (Catholics have aknowledged our history, which Islam has not done) but im just gonna regurgitate the same thing that has been done on this forum time and time again, do a search and find it for yourself
 
FireFromHeaven said:
Funny that. Here is a website by Muslims in reply to your article showing violence in the bible. As I Christian I understand the context. Can we judge the Muslim scripture without understanding the context?

guidetosalvation.com/Website/violent_verses.htm
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Funny that, I do understand the context. If you read through the article I provided (or had a working knowledge of the history of the Saracen empire) you would see that any claims of mere self defense are laughable.
 
So let’s compare their religous empires with ours. Speaking against the pope and following any other religion besides Christianity could lead to discrimination and possible execution in Europe of the time. The Saracen empire massacred nonbelievers and forced survivors to pay taxes unless they converted. I am not claiming that our Lord told us to discriminate. I am not claiming that our religion is violent. I am saying that scripture can be twisted to justify many things. The qurranic verses you use were in regard of the medinans who the early Muslims were fighting against to stay alive. Obviously, being Christian, I prefer our religions stance against persecution by the Romans, namely their refusal to fight back and their true faithfulness. It marks Christianity as different and true as a just, wise God would not wish for blood shed. Yet, as you and I know from the OT and the doctrine of a just war. Sometimes war is right. I am not saying crashing planes into buildings or burning people alive for refusing to convert is right or just. I am saying that the events that the verse were written for fell into the former rather than the latter. Now obviously the jihadists use these to justify their terrorism. They fall in the second category. They are men who are ignorant of, or are twisting their scritures to justify their actions obviously that is wrong. But that was not the intent of the verse.

Pardon if this is a long tedious read.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
Moloch required the murder of ones own children in sacrifice to him.
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And he is alive and well today. 50,000,000 + unborn babies have been sacrificed in our country alone, statistically making the mother’s womb the most dangerous place in the world to live. Unbelievable.
 
I’d have thought the Aztecs would have come close to a religion of violence.

While I still think the Spanish and Portuguese were rather brutal in their conquest of their New World, I sometimes think Montezuma and Cortes deserved each other.
 
Bob_Crowley said:
I’d have thought the Aztecs would have come close to a religion of violence.

While I still think the Spanish and Portuguese were rather brutal in their conquest of their New World, I sometimes think Montezuma and Cortes deserved each other.
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Cortes was a big d*mn hero; he couldn’t have overthrown Montezuma when he did without the military support of the Amerindians who the Aztecs were oppressing and regularly raided for human sacrifice.
 
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