Religion, Parenthood, Brainwashing and Branding

[Bradski]

Of course I do. That is my point. If children of the West do not know the Bible, they are ignorant of about 4,000 years of their own history.

If we do not teach children the Bible and subsequent philosophy, ideas, hopes and science that came from the Bible, they will have nothing to compare the empty ideas of Marxism with. They will have nothing to go on except the death spiral of euthanasia, abortion and despair of an empty materialistic world that has nothing but death to offer.

Religions plural.

 

[PRmerger]

PS-- looked at picture and said to myself, “Stupid”…as in, " believe me, these children will certainly develop their own opinions, guaranteed…just ask any teenager",

Yep.

And where this meme gets it soooo wrong is it treats religion as a different arena than science, or language, or spelling, or math, or even manners.

It puts religion in the same category as whether turnips are better mashed or fried.

 

[benhur]

Hi PR,

You be a facebooker ?

Some one reposted on a infant baptism thread. Reminded me of CC teaching of "permanent " marking on soul (not body ) with baptism…

but this alsoreminds me of the paradox put forth by those saying," truth is relative,and absolutely so" ?

or like the rhetorical “love you neighbor as yourself” because you can’t love more than how you love yourself…your sin against others is first a sin against yourself…etc.etc…now “love your enemy” is the height of that paradox (?), for agape love can not be given unless first received.

so here the paradox is that not brainwashing your children is still…brainwashing your children. It assumes that somehow children will not mimic , be influenced by parents, but do things “on their own”. Or that Truth can’t find a way thru error, sooner or later.

we all train up a child in the way he should go, from the Christian, to the Buddhist, to the atheist/agnsotic etc., etc.

What you are to yourself you will be to your children.

The question really is not about indoctrination but what is Truth, and how do you “get it”.

Christians do not robotize. For some they have infant baptism , but they also have Confirmation " much later on, (and some they only baptize believers of age), as Jews their Barhmitzvah way after circumcision.

The bible also says know the Truth for yourself, a type of getting you to well, so you can now drink for yourself. Your parents faith does not ultimately suffice for the child. He must choose to make it for himself. It is understood , that “open” door. It is understood that sometimes households will remain religious, while others may find brother against brother, sister against sister /mother /father etc,… all with the same indoctrination. Free will is understood in the Christian mindset.

Even Jesus, the ultimate blood washer personified this. In his ultimate question on Truth, on whom He was, He does not say trust/mimic your indoctrinators. He does not ask the apostles what their parents think, or rabbis, or church authority, or what sacred writings or what they have seen may say, but ,“What do YOU think?” …Can you imagine, the alleged creator of the universe asking one of his many creations, “what do you think”? Is their anything more dignified, self elevating, free will honoring ? And why ? Because Jesus knows Truth indeed is achievable, even thru imperfect indocrtinators and deceivable eyes and minds because God gives it to man, but not robotically, and never out of the realms of faith, though reasonable and with evidences.

Blessings RP…thanks for the outlet.

PS-- looked at picture and said to myself, “Stupid”…as in, " believe me, these children will certainly develop their own opinions, guaranteed…just ask any teenager"

Yet we can perish for lack of knowledge, and the sins of the father are for generations (if unbroken by grace and Truth, that is Jesus),

 

[HelenRose]

Religions plural.

I am talking about ideas. Children are being taught to “think for themselves” without the aid of ideas.

How many teenagers do you know who have any concept of the following?

Bible - Jewish Scriptures and Christian Scriptures
Bhagavad Gita
Writings of Confucius
Ancient Greek Plays
History of Rome
Chinese literature
Qur’an
William Shakespeare
Tolstoy
Charles Dickens
Flannery O’Conner

I forgot to add Aristotle and Plato.

Ideas, hopes, and dreams of great thinkers are not being discussed in depth. Children not only need to learn how to think they must have ideas to think about instead of the watered down revisionist thought control of Marxism and insanity of Friedrich Nietzsche.

 

[goout]

I am talking about ideas. Children are being taught to “think for themselves” without the aid of ideas.

How many teenagers do you know who have any concept of the following?

Bible - Jewish Scriptures and Christian Scriptures
Bhagavad Gita
Writings of Confucius
Ancient Greek Plays
History of Rome
Chinese literature
Qur’an
William Shakespeare
Tolstoy
Charles Dickens
Flannery O’Conner

Ideas, hopes, and dreams of great thinkers are not being discussed in depth. Children not only need to learn how to think they must have ideas to think about instead of the watered down revisionist thought control of Marxism.

They’re being schooled in rationalism, which is nothing but superstition cloaked in science…science as the answer to all things. Science is not the answer to all things, and was never intended to be.

It’s ironic that we supposedly have the most rational society ever, yet we have a culture that is increasingly unable to think. (for ex: gender ideology in which people cannot even observe what they are). When people cannot think, you have blind faith unhinged from reason.

Faith and reason mutually in form one another.

 

[HelenRose]

Religions plural.

They’re being schooled in rationalism, which is nothing but superstition cloaked in science…science as the answer to all things. Science is not the answer to all things, and was never intended to be.

It’s ironic that we supposedly have the most rational society ever, yet we have a culture that is increasingly unable to think. (for ex: gender ideology in which people cannot even observe what they are). When people cannot think, you have blind faith unhinged from reason.

Faith and reason mutually in form one another.

It becomes necessary for those who want to change this situation to study and pray in order to speak clearly and compassionately of truth and thought. These are our children. They are being sold a sour bill of goods. It can only be changed by compassionate intelligent love. Sarcasm, smug righteousness will not work. Knowledge and love with the tender help of our Blessed Mother can turn the tide.

 

[benhur]

Yep.

And where this meme gets it soooo wrong is it treats religion as a different arena than science, or language, or spelling, or math, or even manners.

It puts religion in the same category as whether turnips are better mashed or fried.

Hi PR

good point…they are trying to rip the last vestiges of the pervasive, all encompassing establishment of religion (Judeo/Christian) that is/was the backbone of western culture.

Compartmentalizing religion is bad enough when an individual within the religion does it, but worse when it is a societal pressure. Europe is ahead of us in this, and also ahead in showing the ill effects. Much like getting rid of totalitarian Arab leaders has led to worse conflicts, getting rid of birth to death, all encompassing Christianity in Europe has led to a wave of birth to death, all encompassing Islamism filling the vacuum. (Islam, the fastest growing political, religious movement, a true globalization… wimpy, feel good humanism is no match, especially when it attacks, ridicules the only “ideology” that stopped the last wave of Islamic globalization not many centuries ago)…

Sorry. I am on a rant. Reading “America Alone” by Mark Steyn. Good relevant reading about birth rates, culture wars, and current wave of Islamic terrorists etc…nothing is done or not done in a vacuum…and to your point, religion is just as or more important as science and math and all the rest. Some “things” just cut deeper and are more fundamental.

Blessings

 

[Bradski]

I am talking about ideas. Children are being taught to “think for themselves” without the aid of ideas.

How many teenagers do you know who have any concept of the following?

Bible - Jewish Scriptures and Christian Scriptures
Bhagavad Gita
Writings of Confucius
Ancient Greek Plays
History of Rome
Chinese literature
Qur’an
William Shakespeare
Tolstoy
Charles Dickens
Flannery O’Conner

I’d be astonished if your average Christian was educated well enough to tick most of those boxes. But checking the sylabus of my son’s school, he would have covered Judaism and Christianity. Also Bhuddism and Islam, including a study of the Qur’an and the bible. Ancient history would have covered Rome and I know he did a couple of Shakespeare’s plays but I’m not sure about Dickens or Tolstoy. But modern Australian writers were included.

Feel free to browse at your leisure: 3dntmeb0leg2gtilv20h17fl.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Preliminary-HSC-Assessment-Schedule-by-Subject-20162.pdf

 

[goout]

I’d be astonished if your average Christian was educated well enough to tick most of those boxes. But checking the sylabus of my son’s school, he would have covered Judaism and Christianity. Also Bhuddism and Islam, including a study of the Qur’an and the bible. Ancient history would have covered Rome and I know he did a couple of Shakespeare’s plays but I’m not sure about Dickens or Tolstoy. But modern Australian writers were included.

Feel free to browse at your leisure: 3dntmeb0leg2gtilv20h17fl.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Preliminary-HSC-Assessment-Schedule-by-Subject-20162.pdf

Americans learn almost nothing of the classics anymore, and unless you go to a parochial school, you learn zero about faith. It is a taboo subject. The rationalists are running the asylum.

I think the point is that whatever culture a person is part of, they should be immersed in the fullness of it, including the proper study of religion.

 

[Bradski]

Religions. Plural.

 

[goout]

Religions. Plural.

Yea. Ok?

 

[Bradski]

Yea. Ok?

Yup.

 

[goout]

Yup.

I didn’t mean religion exclusively of the plural.

 

[benhur]

Americans learn almost nothing of the classics anymore, and unless you go to a parochial school, you learn zero about faith. It is a taboo subject. The rationalists are running the asylum.

Hi g,

The underlined is an understatement. Today we are taught that Columbus was the plague of Americas and should be rotting in hell.The judeo Christian culture is suspect , evil, a thing of the past.

In the early 1800’s Britain dispatched thousands of teachers to the obscure outposts of her empire. They taught Shakespeare, Magna Carta, Newton, King James Bible etc…unabashedly, unapologetically.

The results:British descent nations have the highest gdp per capita,strong democracies around the globe-India, Australia, S. Africa, Canada, US, and in smaller players who prove it was better to have been exposed to British rule than not.

Even China,if it gets to be great , is not because of learning from Hong Kong and her Little Red Book but because of learning from British Hong Cong.

Sorry , had to go on a little rant. Reading/posting from, "America Alone’’ by Mark Steyn.

Blessings

 

[benhur]

Religions. Plural.

Hi B,

Why ? To what end? To be well rounded, cultural, agnostic, unoffensive, non committal, open ended, so that you can better reach them with the truth, so you know how combat them if they become your enemy ?

They why is more revealing than the what or how.

FBI agents assigned to counterfeit first study one thing, and one thing only, the Real McCoy.

Blessings

 

[inocente]

In the early 1800’s Britain dispatched thousands of teachers to the obscure outposts of her empire. They taught Shakespeare, Magna Carta, Newton, King James Bible etc…unabashedly, unapologetically.

The results:British descent nations have the highest gdp per capita,strong democracies around the globe-India, Australia, S. Africa, Canada, US, and in smaller players who prove it was better to have been exposed to British rule than not.

Even China,if it gets to be great , is not because of learning from Hong Kong and her Little Red Book but because of learning from British Hong Cong.

 

[benhur]

Mu bien! Espana tambien ha cambiado el mundo tremandemente :bowdown:

Bendiciones

 

[Bradski]

Hi B,

Why ? To what end?

About 70% of the planet’s population follows one of the three major religions. It influences their actions, their politics, their beliefs…

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to have some understanding of what each of those religions entails?

 

[casslean]

About 70% of the planet’s population follows one of the three major religions. It influences their actions, their politics, their beliefs…

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to have some understanding of what each of those religions entails?

Where does faith come into this instruction? How does knowing the facts of a religion impart a sense of faith?

I have a nephew, who is just reaching the age where he is starting to understand death and mortality. It caused him a lot of distress to think that there might be a day when he is here, alive, and I’m not. He is raised in a secular home, without any faith, and respecting his parents’ choice, I’d never shared my faith with him. Until the day he came to me, tears in his eyes, and wanted me to explain how I could be okay with the fact that someday, the people I love will die. I explained to him what it meant to believe in an eternal life, to believe in God, to believe that when I’m sad or worried or scared I can tell God.

This is what is missing when a child is raised without faith. And it only gets harder as one gets older and the questions get more difficult. I personally can’t endorse raising a child like that.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Where does faith come into this instruction? How does knowing the facts of a religion impart a sense of faith?

I have a nephew, who is just reaching the age where he is starting to understand death and mortality. It caused him a lot of distress to think that there might be a day when he is here, alive, and I’m not. He is raised in a secular home, without any faith, and respecting his parents’ choice, I’d never shared my faith with him. Until the day he came to me, tears in his eyes, and wanted me to explain how I could be okay with the fact that someday, the people I love will die. I explained to him what it meant to believe in an eternal life, to believe in God, to believe that when I’m sad or worried or scared I can tell God.

This is what is missing when a child is raised without faith. And it only gets harder as one gets older and the questions get more difficult. I personally can’t endorse raising a child like that.

Amen.