Religion vs spirituality

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Not at all. I think Brother Jay has a good handle on the OP. The OP is not seeking to understand, but rather, striving to convince us of his opinion. His words are not inquisitive, but exclamatory. Best to let this one go by the wayside.
Hmmm, there are times when I will engage with someone because by challenging his assumptions, he might start to look at things differently, but more importantly because there are others who read what is written here. There are so many times when a search engine will pull CAF threads up in response to a Catholic search entry–often on the first page.
Catholics are sometimes looking for information regarding a topic because of a conversation they are having, and sometimes people just have the question on their own.
 
What is the catholic methodology for analyzing the bible?

There is no proof that these events actually occured it is based on the collective belief of a group of people which acts as an incentive for truth.

Dont get me wrong I am not discerning the bible, it has a lot of valuable information but to be taken every word literally you are closing your mind to the truer reality
I have two questions:

How can one reality be “truer” than another?

What sort of “truer reality” do you think we are closing our minds to?
 
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Hmmm, there are times when I will engage with someone because by challenging his assumptions, he might start to look at things differently, but more importantly because there are others who read what is written here. There are so many times when a search engine will pull CAF threads up in response to a
The reverse may also be true. If someone is shaky in their faith to begin with, reading things like the OP presented may put them over the top. Prudence warns us not to dabble with this type of info, which is why there was an “index” of forbidden books at a recent time in the Church. It can be very harmful to absorb this type of sophistry. His posts are rather adamant and give the impression he will oppose all of your challenges. Lots of luck … would you like to wager? 😃
 
My friend, you have a number of misunderstandings here.

Let’s begin with the title of your thread. Religion and spirituality can never be juxtaposed. There is no such thing as religion vs spirituality. Spirituality, properly speaking means life in the spirit. There is an a priori assumption that the person who lives a spiritual life lives in relationship to someone who transcends his own existence. Therefore, there is a link between the two, which is the proper meaning of the term religion, from the Latin to re-tie (re ligio).

As to the Creation Story in the Book of Genesis, the story is theology. My ancestors were not interested in writing philosophy, science or literary allegory. The fruit, serpent, garden and so forth meant much more to them than what you’re saying. You’re not totally wrong either, but you need to go further. The Creation story was a hymn of praise that was handed down from generation to generation through oral tradition by my people. It praised God as creator and source of all existence, especially life. It also made a theological statement about the nature of man and his relationship with God. It communicated the to man the nature of God who is all powerful, all knowing, all loving and all merciful. It defines the dignity of man in relation to all of creation. But it also sheds light on the value of all creation in relationship to man and man’s moral obligation to care for what clearly was created for his good and to lead him back to the Creator, not to exploit it and destroy it. This is only scratching the surface.

Jesus did not say that he was one with God and God is one with him. Jesus said that he and the Father are one. In Hebrew culture this means that he is God, not united to God. Had this been his meaning, they would not have accused him of blasphemy. If someone were to allege that he is God today, we too could call him a blasphemer.

He also said that the Kingdom of God “is at hand”, referring to himself. He is the Kingdom of God and at the same time he points to the Kingdom of God. All things are drawn to him and all things reach their fulfillment in him. It is only he who is capable of ending suffering, not man. Man can stop inflicting suffering on himself. But man cannot heal the scars of suffering. Nor can man bridge the gap between God and him caused by sin. Only Christ can do that. Hence he says that no one can go to the Father except through him. No one can cross the chasm without cross the bridge, which is Christ. He’s not pointing to any power within man other than the power to choose him or reject him. He is not attributing the man power to heal himself.

Now that we have established that Jesus means himself as the Kingdom of God, then we can concluded by addressing your first point. Man is not “kicked out of the Kingdom of God.” The Garden of Eden was not the Kingdom of God, because only Christ is the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is not a place, but a state of being, which is only found in Jesus, not in creation. Eden, in Jewish theology, means God’s garden. It is the place where God walks among his creation. Through sin, man forfeits the intimacy of the garden. In other words, he forfeits intimacy with divine life.

However, God so loves man, that he does not abandon man. Even though man has forfeited divine intimacy, God continues to make his presence known through the entire Old Testament to remind man that he will come to heal the rupture that man cannot heal. Hence, when the time was right, God becomes incarnate in Christ, is born of a virgin in Bethlehem, surrenders his life in Jerusalem and conquers death. It is the cross that heals death, not man. Therefore, Christ crucified is the one who rises from the dead so that we can rise from the dead. All healing and all life are to be found through him and in him who is God.
You referenced “my people” in your text, I’m curious to know are you a Catholic convert from Judaism or do you mean that they are your spiritual ancestors? By the way, your commentary is spot on.

p.s. Just wanted to ask one more thing could the “the kingdom of God” also be referencing the Church, i.e., aren’t we supposed to be building the kingdom of God here on earth?
 
The bible is all symbolic, it is misconcieved when taken literally. Take a look at the evolution of language. Or better yet or understanding what language is. Words, letters (symbols) created and formed together that is used to “describe” something. It is all interpretation.

Whatever words or sentences there are, they are used to transfer a message. So there is a meaning behind every story.
I assume that you have had some education, some of which was derived from books and other written materials. You may have read about figures like Napoleon and Alexander teh Great and Cleopatra. Do you think they are fictional just because what we know of them comes through the written word?
The story of the tortoise and the hare is not real. As in there was no such event where a hare and tortoise raced each other. But there is a meaning of the story “slow ans steady wins the race” “patoence is a virtue” same thing goes for goldilock and the three bears or three little pigs.
And the fact that some written materials are fictional does not mean that all written materials are fictional, does it?
Besides, the bible consists of books originally written in hebrew text 500! Years after the death of [C]hrist.
I think this has been pretty much covered by those more knowledgeable than I.
Books that were translated and put together by a man.
This first makes litttle sense. There are many translations of the Bible, and most involve committees or teams. Second, what do you mean, put together by a man?

And what difference does it make if the translation was done by one or many?

I can only assume that you think that many years ago, one man wrote the entire Bible around AD 500 and just expressed that badly? If so, yes, others have covered this error.
 
What is the catholic methodology for analyzing the bible?

There is no proof that these events actually occured it is based on the collective belief of a group of people which acts as an incentive for truth.

Dont get me wrong I am not discerning the bible, it has a lot of valuable information but to be taken every word literally you are closing your mind to the truer reality
You are making assumptions about how the Catholic Church interprets the Bible.

You need to read some of Pope Benedict’s writings so you can learn how the Catholic Church actually interprets the Bible.

I sincerely doubt if you have a clearer vision of Biblical reality than Pope Benedict or for than matter most Catholics who have read and contemplated the Bible for many years.

I am not sure how old you are but before making such general assumptions you need to study just a bit more. You sound like a 20 year old who has just discovered spirituality.
 
Greetings and peace to all 🙂

I’m a new member to the Catholic Forums, although I am not a Christian nor do I follow any particular religion, I am hoping for those who may shed some light upon, as Christians identify it as salvation or kingdom of God.

In the book of Genesis in particular it describes the origins of man widely known as the story of Adam and Eve. The story portrays an interesting message that which contains many symbolism. The apple representing the knowledge of good and evil (dualistic nature of humans) and the serpent (satan) representing human desire. It was the “first sin” as a result being kicked out of the kingdom of God. We were once unified beings with God but have separated our connection due to our driving desire for external satisfaction.

That is to say our desire is what cause us to “sin” which consequently creates suffering. However, in the new testament of the bible, Jesus speaks many times to which may lead us back into the kingdom of God. Jesus said “the kingdom of God is within you” that all of us are capable to end suffering by returning back to God. By ending our desire. By unifying our dualistic nature. Jesus said “I am one with God and God is one with me” the key is oneness with God.

This is my own taking on returning to the kingdom of God. There is much more I can say or would like to say. Any Christains here would like to discuss this topic feel free, I’d love to hear your (name removed by moderator)ut as Id like to learn more 🙂
Greetings and peace to you as well.
There’s nothing exceptional I can add to what’s already been said. I would just encourage you to keep seeking after God. We believe that God gives us a heart that longs for him. We don’t all express this longing in the same way, or understand God in the same way.But the one God will bring you home if you persevere in good faith.
 
Hello, im new here. Good thread but it’s a very deep topic so i’ll refrain from posting just yet (concerning the concept of 'unity with God). You have to have at least some deeper understanding of cosmology/metaphysics.

For example the term ‘image of God’ what does this mean to you?
 
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