Religions and Wars

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Drawmack said:
Not to be cantankerous but I believe the argument can be made that WWII was partially on religious grounds – it was to protect the world from Nazism which when looked at the way the Nazi’s looked at most certainly is a religion.
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This won’t help me.
 
JRKH said:
Now I don’t want to “hijack” the thread, so just to tie this all back inot the original topic, if one wishes to look for a “religious” reason for a war they will probably find “God” mentioned in there somewhere. After all, it seems that God is on “everybody’s” side in a war. However, if one really looks at what caused this or that group to take up arms against another, you will likely find more clear, selfich and immediate reasons than religion.

Peace
James
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Thankyou James.
 
Bob_Crowley said:
Nazism was a political ideology, not a religion in the sense that it purported to point the way to God. Bolshevik Marxism was the same.

In World War II, we had the atheist Soviet Union alllied with Protestant USA and Anglican Britain, lined up against Lutheran Germany, Catholic Italy and Shinto Japan. Other major players were Confucian China and Hindu India, with Buddhist SE Asia and Moslem North Africa and Indonesia being areas where major battles were fought. Meanwhile the Judaic Jews were murdered by the million in concentration camps, with the atheistic Soviets killing millions in Gulags both before and after the war.

Which particular religion caused all that?
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Thankyou for info. I will this point if the topic is brought up again.
 
puzzleannie said:
if she is only 19 she can perhaps be forgiven for being ignorant of world history and the politics of war. if she does not want to talk religion is she willing to talk history, and truly investigate how war has arisen through the actions of politicians and temporal leaders who co-opt religion and use it to further their own ends?
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Yes I agree. I think that she used the excuse of wars as a cop-out for not talking about religion or God. Honestly, I think that she is just afraid to talk about it. I am sure she has been around people who do nothing except knock down faith or just other teenagers that don’t have eternal life on their radar. Oddly enough she went to a catholic elementary and secondary school. I really have to wonder at what these kids are being taught there.

I don’t think she is “into” History at all. She likes interior design.
 
Any ideas on what I can do to show her that faith really matters?
 
St_Gabriel said:
Any ideas on what I can do to show her that faith really matters?
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Nice to discover that you are her Godfather.
Mine came to my resue just a few years ago. After being away from the Church for nearly 30 years, he wrote me a letter, out of the blue, that helped me come home to the sacraments.

The first way to show her that faith really matters by living your faith to the utmost. Love her regardless of how frustrating her attitudes are right now. Stay as close to her as you can and pray hard for her. Invite her occasionally to go to mass, or some other church function with you.
In short - Just be there for her. Listen to her when she is in trouble and confused. Offer to pray with her when appropriate. That is what my mother dad and my Godfather did - prayed and loved and kept living the faith.

As she matures she will begin to see how much faith really matters, when she sees how much it matters to those she loves - and love her.

Peace
James
 
St_Gabriel said:
Any ideas on what I can do to show her that faith really matters?
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Give her your “spiritual” hug without mentioning God or religion. The embrace is a basic form of prayer. Once her heart filled with love, she will not be afraid to talk about ie, religion and increases her faith. But a person whose heart lacks love has great fear talking about it.
 
JRKH said:
The first way to show her that faith really matters by living your faith to the utmost. Love her regardless of how frustrating her attitudes are right now. Stay as close to her as you can and pray hard for her. Invite her occasionally to go to mass, or some other church function with you.
In short - Just be there for her. Listen to her when she is in trouble and confused. Offer to pray with her when appropriate. That is what my mother dad and my Godfather did - prayed and loved and kept living the faith.

As she matures she will begin to see how much faith really matters, when she sees how much it matters to those she loves - and love her.
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👍👍
 
St_Gabriel said:
Hello all.

I have come here to ask for some advice from you wonderful apologists! I was talking with a young lady who is baptised and confirmed catholic who told me that religion is the cause of wars and that’s why she doesn’t go to church and practice her faith. I think that the real problem is that her parents didn’t help her in the formation of her faith (they never took her to church). She’s only 19 and she says that she doesn’t want to talk about religion.

Can some of you wonderful people give me some info on how I can help her back on the right track?
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godandscience.org/apologetics/atrocities.html
godandscience.org/apologetics/war_and_religion.html
 
St_Gabriel said:
I know what you are saying. However, in this case, the girl is my God-daughter. I can’t sit by and say nothing. I think that is what her parents have done (say nothing and do nothing) and that is why she is where she is.
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I wasn’t recommending that you do nothing. I specifically quoted St. Francis, “Preach the Gospel always; use words when you have to.”

I was saying to demonstrate the faith for her – wait for her to ask questions to use words.

Volunteer at a soup kitchen – offer to take her with.

Hand out coats, or whatever, to the homeless – offer to take her with.

etc, etc, etc.
 
JRKH said:
Nice to discover that you are her Godfather.
Mine came to my resue just a few years ago. After being away from the Church for nearly 30 years, he wrote me a letter, out of the blue, that helped me come home to the sacraments.

The first way to show her that faith really matters by living your faith to the utmost. Love her regardless of how frustrating her attitudes are right now. Stay as close to her as you can and pray hard for her. Invite her occasionally to go to mass, or some other church function with you.
In short - Just be there for her. Listen to her when she is in trouble and confused. Offer to pray with her when appropriate. That is what my mother dad and my Godfather did - prayed and loved and kept living the faith.

As she matures she will begin to see how much faith really matters, when she sees how much it matters to those she loves - and love her.

Peace
James
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Wow. Thankyou for the advice and thanks for sharing a bit of your life story. It’s very encouraging.
 
St_Gabriel said:
Yes. I need to do some research on wars. I told her that she should do some research on the wars and she would find out that they were not caused by religion but politically driven.
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Indeed, and look at who the people are willing to trust with everything nowdays… The Politicians! 🤷
 
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