Religious arguments against same sex marriage

[Shiphrae]

Since someone suggested a new thread which would be discussing religious reasons against gay marriages, I thought I would see if this would work out.

My feelings are that there would be little to say on the subject. Since the Church is definitely against homosexual activity, it seems that this would end the whole discussion. However we could discuss the Churches’ reasons for banning it.

The first and obvious reason is that it excludes procreation. Does anyone have any other reasons?

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae

 

[East_and_West]

Since someone suggested a new thread which would be discussing religious reasons against gay marriages, I thought I would see if this would work out.

My feelings are that there would be little to say on the subject. Since the Church is definitely against homosexual activity, it seems that this would end the whole discussion. However we could discuss the Churches’ reasons for banning it.

The first and obvious reason is that it excludes procreation. Does anyone have any other reasons?

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae

It is simply contrary to God’s design. Men do have parts that are compatible with one another.

 

[Shiphrae]

Well, I certainly agree that it seems completely contrary to God’s design.

A while ago I was watching a show on Abundant Life, EWTN. The guests on the show were a well known psychiatrist and psychologist. Unfortunately I don’t remember their names. They had some very interesting and good arguments against living that life style. The psychiatrist says that he has had a practice for many years and that he has treated homosexuals and has helped many of them.

Peace in Christ,
Shiphrae

 

[Newbie2]

Well, a place to start would be to examine the (countless ) other threads about this topic. Eventually this one will get around to rehashing the same old same old, with the same people posting the same things, methinks.

 

[Shiphrae]

Well, a place to start would be to examine the (countless ) other threads about this topic. Eventually this one will get around to rehashing the same old same old, with the same people posting the same things, methinks.

Oh is that so! I did not see any other thread such as this one. The only other one that I know of is the’ Non-religious reasons …’ Where are the others?

 

[Elric]

Since someone suggested a new thread which would be discussing religious reasons against gay marriages, I thought I would see if this would work out.

Actually it was suggested that you could start a thread that included religious arguments as well as non religious arguments, not one solely based on religious arguments.

My feelings are that there would be little to say on the subject. Since the Church is definitely against homosexual activity, it seems that this would end the whole discussion. However we could discuss the Churches’ reasons for banning it.

They are similar to killing or banishing people who are/were infertile.

The first and obvious reason is that it excludes procreation. Does anyone have any other reasons?

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae

Are you talking about the act ie: homosexual sex, or about the bond between two people?

 

[Shiphrae]

*Actually it was suggested that you could start a thread that included religious arguments as well as non religious arguments, not one solely based on religious arguments. * Elric

Oh you mean, repeat all the arguments from 'Non-religious…? That sounds like a great idea!

They are similar to killing or banishing people who are/were infertile.

NO!

Are you talking about the act ie: homosexual sex, or about the bond between two people?

What do you think? The answer is obvious.

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae

 

[Elric]

*Actually it was suggested that you could start a thread that included religious arguments as well as non religious arguments, not one solely based on religious arguments. * Elric

Oh you mean, repeat all the arguments from 'Non-religious…? That sounds like a great idea!

Well that is off to a nice start.

But that isnt what I meant. I was only correcting a statment that you made about what had been suggested to you, thats all.

They are similar to killing or banishing people who are/were infertile.

NO!

No?

They are not similar?

Are you talking about the act ie: homosexual sex, or about the bond between two people?

What do you think? The answer is obvious.

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae

Well why not simply state what the answer is, I didnt think that the answer was so obvious which is why I asked. I am sorry if my question offends you but there isnt a need to be condescending.

 

[urban-hermit]

Hi Shiphrae,

Just found this thread - thanks for starting it.

Isn’t it interesting how people who are against Catholicism will come into threads that do not really concern them at all and post things that do not really address the topic at all? I find that very interesting.

Anyway, I think one religious argument against same sex “marriage” is that it will lead the people who “marry” eachother away from God, and substitute the god of pleasure for the one true God. It is a form of idolatry, because instead of putting God first, they are putting sex first.

 

[Elric]

Hi Shiphrae,

Isn’t it interesting how people who are against Catholicism will come into threads that do not really concern them at all and post things that do not really address the topic at all? I find that very interesting.

Mate, please post with charity.

I wasnt aware that I wasnt allowed to post in this thread (I didnt see anything suggesting as such and I didnt know that I was “against” catholism), but I am sorry for doing so and also for any potential offence or upset that I may have caused.

The main reason for posting was to clarify a misconception that Shiphrae had in regards to the suggestion of starting a new thread.

 

[Shiphrae]

Hi Shiphrae,

Just found this thread - thanks for starting it.

Isn’t it interesting how people who are against Catholicism will come into threads that do not really concern them at all and post things that do not really address the topic at all? I find that very interesting.

Anyway, I think one religious argument against same sex “marriage” is that it will lead the people who “marry” eachother away from God, and substitute the god of pleasure for the one true God. It is a form of idolatry, because instead of putting God first, they are putting sex first.

Good Morning urban-hermit

Your welcome! I think that you’re totally right!

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae

 

[KarenNC]

It may help to clarify for the purposes of the discussion whether you mean sacramental marriage, civil marriage or both. The reasons would be somewhat different.

 

[Shiphrae]

originally posted by KarenNC
It may help to clarify for the purposes of the discussion whether you mean sacramental marriage, civil marriage or both. The reasons would be somewhat different.

**Certainly I am talking about sacramental marriage! ** There is no other marriage accepted by the Catholic Church.

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae

 

[KarenNC]

**Certainly I am talking about sacramental marriage! ** There is no other marriage accepted by the Catholic Church.

That helps to clarify the terms of the discussion so that there is no question. If you were to include legal civil marriage in the US, that would be another discussion altogether.

No one is, as far as I know, arguing that the Catholic Church should be required to provide same sex sacramental marriage or even to consider as sacramentally valid a same sex civil marriage (the Church is already in this position relative to a variety of marriages that are considered legally valid in the US but not sacramentally valid in the Church). It is very clearly out of line with the Church’s teachings on homosexuality. The Church is also in total control of its sacramental marriages.

I don’t see a whole lot of need for much discussion, either.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Since the Church is definitely against homosexual activity, it seems that this would end the whole discussion.

yup, case closed. no fun at all.

However we could discuss the Churches’ reasons for banning it.

The first and obvious reason is that it excludes procreation. Does anyone have any other reasons?

how can you as a christian forget the #1 reaon for banning it:

BECAUSE THE BIBLE CONDEMNS HOMO SEX!

Leviticus 20:13

• If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.*

 

[Shiphrae]

originally posted by KarenNC
No one is, as far as I know, arguing that the Catholic Church should be required to provide ex sacramental marriage or even to consider as sacramentally valid a same sex civil marriage (the Church is already in this position relative to a variety of marriages that are considered legally valid in the US but not sacramentally valid in the Church). It is very clearly out of line with the Church’s teachings on homosexuality. The Church is also in total control of its sacramental marriages.

I don’t see a whole lot of need for much discussion, either.

Oh yes, people have been arguing that very thing. In fact they have gone past arguing. They have had so called ‘sacramental wedding ceremonies’ in churches. Those ceremonies are not accepted by the Church but they are being done.

No one is forcing you to post here, if you don’t see the need.

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae

 

[Amolibri]

Oh yes, people have been arguing that very thing. In fact they have gone past arguing. They have had so called ‘sacramental wedding ceremonies’ in churches. Those ceremonies are not accepted by the Church but they are being done.

No one is forcing you to post here, if you don’t see the need.

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae

Peace of Christ, indeed.

Karen, I know exactly what you speak of. Well-explained.

Shiphrae:“they” have NOT had ‘sacramental wedding ceremonies’ (or “forced” them) in the Catholic Church. So what are we talking about here??? It’s up to those churches to decide, NOT you or anyone else.

 

[KarenNC]

Oh yes, people have been arguing that very thing. In fact they have gone past arguing. They have had so called ‘sacramental wedding ceremonies’ in churches. Those ceremonies are not accepted by the Church but they are being done.

If these are indeed being done within Catholic churches then it would seem that it is a matter for internal Church discipline regarding those Catholics who are breaking Catholic rules.

 

[HailMary]

yup, case closed. no fun at all.

how can you as a christian forget the #1 reaon for banning it:

BECAUSE THE BIBLE CONDEMNS HOMO SEX!

Leviticus 20:13

• If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them*.

Simply put, its against the natural law.

 

[Shiphrae]

originally posted by Amolibri
Shiphrae:“they” have NOT had ‘sacramental wedding ceremonies’ (or “forced” them) in the Catholic Church. So what are we talking about here??? It’s up to those churches to decide, NOT you or anyone else.

Please check the following site: undiscoveredself.com/sppm/ from Beloved Disciple Catholic Church, Toronto

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae