Religious Liberty Isn't Christian

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Dignitatis Humanae deals only with coercion from the state above and beyond what is necessary for the common good within the objective moral order. Coercion of the baptized by the Church is a different matter entirely. The state does not have jurisdiction from God over matters of faith above and beyond its general duty to enforce the natural law and protect the common good. The Church, on the other hand, does have jurisdiction over matters of faith.

The ability of the Church to coerce the baptized in matters of faith was affirmed by the Council of Trent (Canons on Baptism 8 and 14 ) and is found in the current Code of Canon Law (Canons 1311 and 1312; note these canons refer to the Christian faithful, which are defined elsewhere as the baptized cf. canon 204)). While one cannot be coerced into being baptized, by consenting to baptism (either directly, or for those physically unable, through a parent or guardian), one consents to being bound by the Church’s jurisdiction.

Techincally, all the baptized (whether baptized Catholic or elsewhere) are subject to the Church’s jurisdiction (that’s the basis for affirming a “partial communion” with baptized non-Catholics), but traditionally the Church has only chosen to apply her laws to formal Catholics.

Formerly, the process of formal defection excused one from the obligation to obey Church laws. Now, even one who formally defects is subject to Church laws (this was done basically to make marriage and annulment cases more clear-cut). It bears pointing out, “once Catholic, always Catholic” only really applies to this jurisdictional and canonical sense. One can still cease to be a member of the Catholic Church, and therefore the Body of Christ, through heresy, schism, apostacy, and excommunication.
 
I’m sure I don’t understand this. Not to derail the thread, but could you refer me to a source, or PM me please?
what I’m trying to say is that once you are a baptized Catholic you are always Catholic its ontological, but the seperation of Church and state doesn’t really handle that issue. Because baptism ontologically changes the state of the soul. For example lets say a solider losses an arm he will always be without that arm (an artifical arm really isn’t his arm) but for the Catholic Church baptism changes the soul, confirmation changes the soul and finally Ordination changes the soul

so

once you are baptized you are a Christian for ever

once you are confrimed you are a adult Christian forever (I guess that is what you call it)

once you are ordained (if god calls you there) You are a priest forever or you are a deacon forever, or you are a bishop forever.

The reason the Church stopped allowing people to defect from the church is it isn’t ontologically Possible.

for the Church to step on religious rights they would have to force people to be baptized force people to go to church and so on and so forth.

someone can be Catholic and not go to church for 20 years. (ontologically)
 
Thank you for your explanations, Genesis 315 and catholictiger.
 
Taking away someone’s free will isn’t Christian, that I know for sure.
 
someone can be Catholic and not go to church for 20 years. (ontologically)
Thank God because I would be lost without my Christian Faith but didn’t go to Church for 18 years. Now I am a devoted Christian, devoted to my Faith.
 
That’s the point. I said They wanted to force the LCMS to hire women pastors. So you said Any neutral sources for all these claims?. Then I gave you a source. I don’t see where you’re going. 🤷/QUOTE

Did you actually read the link you posted to the NYT? The women was allowed to be released because the church in question had hired her in a ministerial capacity.The law suit was about requiring the school to maintain her employment when she returned from a sick leave.

But you do inadvertently bring up a good point because our government has 3 branches, there are 3 opportunities for the free exercise of religion to be defended.

So while you were defending your argument with facts that were contrary to your own position, you did manage to bring more light to the discussion.
 
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