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Can somewhat give me some positive evidence for God and religion. I just don’t think I can believe anymore. It just seems like willful delusion and I don’t see any reason to keep believing in the Bible or God. Thanks
 
Hi,

I will pray that God will give you the gift of Faith. Faith is a gift. Have you been praying to God to help you to believe? One needs to predispose oneself to believe. I would counsle you to read the Catholic Catechism of the Catholic Church which is said by Blessed Pope John Paul II is “a sure norm for teaching the Catholic Faith.”.

If one has chosen not to believe, then nothing that anyone can say or do will convince them to believe. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink it.

The Truth of the Church is there. There’s so much to read and learn. Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and the rest will follow. Ask God for the gift of faith and the grace ot perservere.

IF you are Catholic have frequent recourse to the Sacraments. Start attending Mass more. Go to Adoration.

God bless.
 
Can somewhat give me some positive evidence for God and religion. I just don’t think I can believe anymore. It just seems like willful delusion and I don’t see any reason to keep believing in the Bible or God. Thanks
It would help if you said what you used to believe, what church you belonged to and what happened to make you begin doubting and finally convinced you to stop believing.

How do you feel now as a non-believer compared to how you felt as a believer? You need to give us a lot more to go on.
 
No logical or scientific argument can talk a person out of what is purely faith.

No logical or scientific argument can talk a person into what can only be known through faith.

By definition, we would not need faith if we had firm, worldly, evidence. That would be sight, not faith.

That said, I don’t necessarily see a conflict between science, God, and logic. I understand that many good believers say things that are sufficiently confusing that it makes God seem mean, schizophrenic, or worse. For most matters that bother me, I can at least imagine a way for science and religion to coexist, so it isn’t entirely unfeasible to embrace both, IMO.

I’m interested in hearing more details about your issues. 🙂

Peace and joy,
Alan
 
Remember that religion - Catholicism in general, is a rational religion, and a perfect explanation for our existance and purpose. You must not be indoctrinated by foolish militant atheists like Richard Dawkins who don’t know the difference between philosophy and science, and how they work together.
 
It sounds like you’ve never experienced God in a real way and maybe that’s why you feel the way you do. I can appreciate this as I myself have seen firsthand religion’s failure to point the faithful towards God.

If you’re serious about finding Him–you’ve got to start with the bible. The bible is the inspired word of God and it is here that God is trying to talk to you–but you have to read it! God, in so many ways, is trying to communicate with each one of us, but sometimes religion gets in His way. What I mean is–religion (especially organized religion) tends to place rituals and practices ABOVE God when it should be pointing TO God. There is a difference.

If you’re truly serious about finding God–keep searching and He will begin to draw you towards a particular church maybe or send friends who will lead you to Him. Just don’t give up. Whatever church you decide to join up with, know that salvation does not come from belonging to any one church, but rather from following His son, Jesus. For Jesus repeatedly said, “I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME.”

Each one of us has to work out his or her own salvation in their own way. As long as you follow Jesus and believe he is Lord and Savior–he will lead you to the Father.

God Rocks
 
Can somewhat give me some positive evidence for God and religion. I just don’t think I can believe anymore. It just seems like willful delusion and I don’t see any reason to keep believing in the Bible or God. Thanks
I don’t know if this will help you or not. I became Christian late in 1982, at the tail end of the worst period of my life.

At that immedate time it seemed to make sense, but much of the following year was one of turmoil, involving a period of unemployment, divorce, losing my house, getting a job that often left a lot to be desired. But I got talked by one of the Pastor’s sons into going on a Scripture Union “Beach Mission” at Christmas 1983 at a place called Forest Glen Caravan Park just south of Nambour, Queensland.

To add to my cynicism, I’d recently been chewed out at work by the boss, and I was also feeling out of my depth with this new-fangled “Beach Mission” stuff, with a general lack of confidence, low self esteem, and I was really getting quite cynical about Christianity.

I even remember thinking to myself, “How do I know this is for real, and not just a psychological prop?”.

Anyway, it was the tradition to hold a Bible study each afternoon for about an hour for the leaders (of whom I was supposed to be one). We were sitting under a marquis (large tent) and it was quite warm. I was actually finding it difficult to keep my eyes open and concentrate. But as the leader read some words from the Bible regarding King David, I got hit by what my later Catholic psychiatrist would call a double whammy (he’d experienced them too). The exact words that were highlighted by this “double whammy” were “… a man after my own heart”. This comes from the book of Samuel, around the time Samuel is looking for a replacement for King Saul.
Samuel 13:14: “But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the LORD commanded thee.”
It was like a breath going through me in waves from head to foot, very pronounced, clearly imposed upon me by some unseen agency, and so shockingly unexpected I just about fell off the seat.

I looked around to see what the others were making of it, and of course they weren’t taking the least bit of notice, for the simple reason it hadn’t happened to them.

When I later related this episode to my old pastor back in my home church, he said the Lord was trying to encourage me, adding, “He knew you’d been through a tough time”.

So there it was. There were two more double whammies over the next couple of years, once referring to St. Paul, and the other to CS Lewis. And they haven’t happened since.

But since that first “double whammy”, I’ve never been able to doubt God exists, or that Christianity is the right religion. Oh, I get angry with Him at times, and I don’t think He’s very fair, and that He can be pretty tough, and is often inexplicable in his actions and modes of doing things, but I cannot deny He exists.

So I think what you need is some sort of direct experience of God, maybe a “double whammy” or perhaps something quite different. It doesn’t mean things will get easy, but at least you’ll know beyond any doubt that God exists.

But be warned - once you’ve had an experience like this, the devil somehow seems to be given permission to emulate the experience. And it can become very tricky, believe me.

By the way, I said there was probably a couple of years between first and last. So How far do you think we move in two years through space? Billions of miles? Yet God was able, on three occasions, to give me a very clear message by highlighting the words he wanted to use by this method. No one else knew about it, and no one else experienced it at the time. But despite the enormous distance; despite the speed at which we were moving through space (about a million miles a day for a start just going around the sun), He knew exactly where i was sitting, what was about to be said, and was able to highlight it for one individual without giving Himself away to a single other soul.

That’s what I call Big Brother.
 
Check out the Star of Bethlehem. It is a video which you can watch on Youtube. It is by a devout lawyer named Mr.Larson. He will provide evidence of the universe and how the bible was the first to mention its mysteries including actually calculating the Star of Bethlehem and its appearance in the sky.

This is both scientific and biblical. I did not see the whole movie but it is very accurate. You be the judge.

Remember you can reason with scriptures, facts, historical evidence etc, but in the end you need the gift of faith to discern and only the HOLY SPIRIT can give you this. Pray!
 
Can somewhat give me some positive evidence for God and religion. I just don’t think I can believe anymore. It just seems like willful delusion and I don’t see any reason to keep believing in the Bible or God. Thanks
These are two different questions. Believe in God because He exists.

Believe in the Bible because the Church founded by Christ, who is God, says it is worthy of belief – that it is God’s Word to man. There is no reason to believe in the Bible apart from the authority of the Catholic Church, who wrote the New Testament during the first Christian century and compiled the Bible at the end of the fourth century. The NT consists of 27 of the Church’s own writings.

There is plenty of evidence. The question is, what are you willing to accept? Why don’t you “think I can believe anymore”?

Jim Dandy
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!
 
Can somewhat give me some positive evidence for God and religion. I just don’t think I can believe anymore. It just seems like willful delusion and I don’t see any reason to keep believing in the Bible or God. Thanks
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. Heb 11:1

So faith is a gift. It’s like something you already know but can’t prove-something you hope for-hoping there’s more to life than beer, sex, and TV, hoping there’s a purpose to it all, hoping, maybe without knowing it, that love and truth are real and more important than the selfishness, pride, and falsehoods that seem to rule the day in this world.

Sometimes this hope/knowledge begins to emerge after we’ve been disappointed trying to satiate ourselves with whatever the world has to offer, or after we’ve been back-stabbed by yet another fellow egoist trying to prove how great they are by putting us down. Or maybe we need to experience a personal tragedy, or, in some cases, we just start seeking God early on.

However it happens, once you’ve begun to taste it deeply, you can still always let go of it, but you don’t, in my experience, at least never fully and never for long. It didn’t happen to me until I began to ask, seek, and knock-until I really wanted to know.
 
May I recommend a couple books to you? You might be interested in “the Case of Christ” by Lee Strobel (for historical, etc, evidence, from the top in the field); and “Mere Christianity” by CS Lewis (for the theology/reason/logic). And make sure you pray and try to be open to God, otherwise you won’t be able to accept the grace to believe, even if it’s given to you. God doesn’t ever force us to do anything, He has given us free will… but not every choice is right; the truth is objective and it’s important to follow it.

God bless
 
Can somewhat give me some positive evidence for God and religion. I just don’t think I can believe anymore. It just seems like willful delusion and I don’t see any reason to keep believing in the Bible or God. Thanks
One should believe in God because his existence is proved from two facts 1) that everything we know of depends on something else to exist as Aristotle proves and 2) that there cannot be an infinite number of causes for the things we know. So there has to be something which causes all these things, which has to be the only thing which does not depend on something else to be. And this self-subsisting being is God, for the two words are synonyms. Basically God is the only true answer to the question “why do things have being?”

The rest is faith but it is faith based on a reasonable conclusion -God, subsisting truth and power exists, so what he says must be true.

Another way, I think, is the existence of the ideal. If people find some things important, then the sum of these things must be even more important. So eventually people can just keep adding all their values infinitely to create something they value infinitely. But the infinitely valuable is the ideal and it is God -in some way which is barely intelligible, God and the ideal are one. So God exists because the ideal exists, as Kant said, “if there was no God, men would create one.” Of course, since God is simply a sum of all the things we value, it ends up giving importance to all the finite values (since the infinite absorbs the finite). So this ideal, which is impossible to comprehend (since the infinite is not totally comprehendable save in a barely intelligible fashion) also lends infinite value to small things and is ironically the cause of over-valuing things. In some fashion the love of small things leads to God and the love of God leads to loving small things -ironic yes, but contradictory, maybe not, since God per se is not understandable to men, but the idea of a first cause or grand creator of the universe is understandable as is a supreme good. But the infinite good is an idea so generous that neither the human mind nor heart, nor the angelic nature could fully comprehend it.
 
One should believe in God because his existence is proved from two facts 1) that everything we know of depends on something else to exist as Aristotle proves and 2) that there cannot be an infinite number of causes for the things we know. So there has to be something which causes all these things, which has to be the only thing which does not depend on something else to be. And this self-subsisting being is God, for the two words are synonyms. Basically God is the only true answer to the question “why do things have being?”

The rest is faith but it is faith based on a reasonable conclusion -God, subsisting truth and power exists, so what he says must be true.
If we define the word “God” to mean “The Absolute Truth, which is beyond what the collective human imagination can conceive,” then I don’t have a problem with that. But I do think we are so often convinced we understand the mind/feelings of God on this issue or that, that we risk introducing our own self-images as limitations for God Himself.
Another way, I think, is the existence of the ideal.
So this ideal, which is impossible to comprehend (since the infinite is not totally comprehendable save in a barely intelligible fashion) also lends infinite value to small things and is ironically the cause of over-valuing things. In some fashion the love of small things leads to God and the love of God leads to loving small things -ironic yes, but contradictory, maybe not, since God per se is not understandable to men, but the idea of a first cause or grand creator of the universe is understandable as is a supreme good. But the infinite good is an idea so generous that neither the human mind nor heart, nor the angelic nature could fully comprehend it.
Again, if we’re defining the ideal as God, then I think I’m on board with that. 👍

It is incredibly generous, but I’m not sure the word “generous” as I think of it even does justice to what God is really like. I feel I’ve received many wonderful gifts, but I am sure I’ve tasted but the smallest taste of God thus far in my spiritual journey. And I certainly don’t know how I could have been as generous as either Him or His Son, so it lies beyond my grasp at this point. :hmmm:

I tend to take a position like in The Cloud of the Unknowing. I think that the journey to God is to let go of our own self-created world, complete with our personal images and logical interpretations of God (and we all have them) and let His Holy Spirit take us places we’ve never been before. If we try to experience God by figuring Him out rather than enjoying His company, we have quite a task indeed. To me, this is what “contemplation” is all about – and disposing ourselves to invite such a gift. 🙂

Alan
 
Can somewhat give me some positive evidence for God and religion. I just don’t think I can believe anymore. It just seems like willful delusion and I don’t see any reason to keep believing in the Bible or God. Thanks
what is the alternative? in whom or in what are you now ready to place your belief, trust and reliance? how is that working out for you so far?
 
May I recommend a couple books to you? You might be interested in “the Case of Christ” by Lee Strobel (for historical, etc, evidence, from the top in the field); and “Mere Christianity” by CS Lewis (for the theology/reason/logic). And make sure you pray and try to be open to God, otherwise you won’t be able to accept the grace to believe, even if it’s given to you. God doesn’t ever force us to do anything, He has given us free will… but not every choice is right; the truth is objective and it’s important to follow it.

God bless
Yes read The Case for Christ and also More Than A Carpenter
 
Can somewhat give me some positive evidence for God and religion. Thanks
It sounds like you want some human warmth as support, not intelectual. This is not
uncommon, to lose hope because at one spot in our life we experience how cold
and without life it all seems to be.

At the end of the 2nd world war, three prisoners of a conentration camp were walking
and looking for someone, anyone, to help them. They came upon several U.S. tanks who
had stopped. One of the prisoners asked one of the drivers what they should do?
The driver got out and asked the others for some food for them. Then he went to them
and gave them all a big hug. This in spite of the fact that they had just come out of that horrible dirty camp if you get the meaning of that. He handed them the food and told them to continue on the road to the next town. There would be someone to help them. He waved, smiled, and told them everything would be alright, and sent them on their way.

Later one of the prisoners made his way to America and became a citizen. He said he had lost all hope in the human race until that kind man gave them hope and love.
Years later he was still moved greatly by the gesture. That man went on to devote his life to helping ess fortunate kids because he wanted to give hope to others who were lost.

I will pray for you that sweet Jesus will give you his warmth.
 
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