Religious OCD

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Hello, I’d like to ask for some guidance after (about four) months of being religiously OCD. I have so many tendencies and problems that it’s really starting to get me depressed.

Firstly, I believe in God. Although my mind is now clouded with a million “do you REALLY believe in God”, I think back to the time when I was happy and I was a genuinely nice person. I know I believed in God then and I thought about heaven. I am only 15 years old and I am so confused.

I really do not like what is happening to me now. Everything I hear “God” or see/hear literally ANYTHING involving God my mind thinks something bad. Sometimes they are REALLY bad thoughts, too.

So when stuff like this happens, I start to get stressed and get religiously OCD. I force myself to pray my entire set of prayers, addressing both God and Mary in separate prayers (I pray twice, usually). I don’t even know if you’re allowed/supposed to pray to Mary, but I don’t want to stop because I feel as though I am being insulting that I no longer want to pray to her. Oftentimes I’ll have to re-pray the Our Father several times in a single prayer until I say it perfectly and without any negative thoughts. At this point, however, I’m usually praying so fast and so without meaning that I’m probably committing a bigger sin by re-praying like that.

I also have certain “rules” my mind follows by. For some reason, I have to start a prayer, “Dear God and Mary and Jesus and Joseph”. What I say after that depends on what bad thing my mind has thought of. If I thought something bad about someone, I’ll say, usually word for word “Dear God and Mary and Jesus and Joseph, you know I really don’t want anything bad to happen to anyone, so thank you so much for not letting anything bad happen to anyone.” If I don’t say it perfectly my mind forces me to say it again.

Other times I will pray that “I really hope nobody else goes to Hell. I wish everybody else could go to Heaven, or at least Purgatory”.

I usually use the word “else” because I don’t want to refer to myself. I feel greedy if I use myself in a prayer like that, and I fear that if I’m greedy God will punish me. But at the same time, this just leads to an even bigger problem.

This bigger problem is that now my mind is specifically looking for ways to please God. Last year and years before that I just used to be a genuinely nice person. I may still be a genuinely nice person now, but my mind always thinks that “this must be pleasing to God”. I don’t want to be this kind of person anymore. I mean, at least it’s making me be a nice person still, but I don’t want to do something good just because I think it will increase my chances of going to Heaven. This is probably an even bigger sin.

And even now as I post this message, my mind still faintly believes that I’m only posting it to please God. But I know that, under every layer of my mind, I am a nice person.

Other things I’m religiously OCD about include some of my hobbies, as well as my parents (usually my mom). Even as I typed that last sentence I had to switch the order of “my hobbies” and “my parents” to what it is now, because my mind tells me that if I end something while being greedy (like the sentence, which would have ended with “my hobbies”. which shouldn’t take precedence over my parents) that God will punish and be angry with me.

I usually have to redo a lot of things and I’m wasting so much time re-praying. But am I really wasting time, or does God want me to do this. Personally, I don’t think he does. If anything, I’m making a mockery of what is taught in Catholic faith.

Again, I often times have to redo many things. For instance, when I’m writing something, I’ll have to erase some things I’ve written down and rewrite part of it over again until my mind is without any bad thoughts. It’s usually like that for typing and many other things, too.

I feel as though that unless I pray perfectly, I won’t be able to enjoy my hobbies anymore. For instance, I love to write fiction stories. I fear that if I don’t pray enough, well enough, or unintentionally gloat (with my mind) about my skill at writing that God will take it away from me. The same thing goes for my parents/mom. If I don’t pray perfectly, will something bad happen to my mom? I always wonder this question. I love my parents so much and I don’t want anything bad to happen to them, ever.

Whenever I think about new, terrible things like this, I usually punish myself by making me say my prayers, in full (how I say them each night and morning). Sometimes I tell myself to pray to both God and Mary in full twice in order to be forgiven. I haven’t fallen into this OCD trap yet, but I fear I will.

There’s probably a lot more that I can add to this post that I’m forgetting, but I’d like to close it with one final thing.

When I pray at night, I am usually exhibiting OCD tendencies and, before I pray, I’m usually nervous and actually disgusted to pray. I usually don’t want to. Now, I just tell myself that the reason I don’t want to pray is because “I’ll just be a jerk and say something rude and then I’ll have to be superstitious”. But I realized that this might not be true. I thought about when I had actually escaped my OCD some of the time, and realized that at night and in the morning, when I almost always pray (at least now that I’ve become OCD), I actually didn’t want to take the time to pray. Maybe it was because I had just gotten off my OCD, and I was still a bit fried? But still, what if I am secretly a jerk who doesn’t want to take the time to pray in the morning and at night? And when I was younger (and non-OCD) I rarely prayed. Now I’m seriously getting scared that all this might just be out of greediness. The next paragraph describes a similar scenario.
 
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Just today, which completely pushed me over the edge, I thought about church. I will admit, my family hasn’t gone to church since (I think) last Christmas. Before that, I used to go to church nearly every Sunday, because of CCD classes and Confirmation classes. But what really scared me was the fact that I never used to want to go to church. I remember that I used to actually not mind it once I was there, but I never wanted to go when my mom woke me up in the morning. And now I realized that I’m probably a bad person since I considered it boring and didn’t really listen all that much. I probably would now, but I’m afraid that it is only because my mind is convincing me that if I listen, God will love me more (but again, this is just out of greediness, I fear). Overall, I do a lot of things just so God doesn’t get angry with me (even if it isn’t necessarily true and that it might not make him angry at all). Again, though, a lot of it is out of greediness.

This is an example of where my mind is trying to force myself to pray to both God and Mary twice in order to be forgiven. I just realized this today, too, so I’m going to fight off the unnecessary need tonight as I go to bed.

So I don’t know what to do. I remember liking church sometimes, and now that I reflect upon it, I actually miss those younger CCD days, but I guarantee that if I was asked to go to church tomorrow I wouldn’t really want to go. Maybe I’d really enjoy it once I got there, but in the morning before it, I wouldn’t want to go. It would probably continue like this, too, for quite a while (maybe until I was older), even if I knew I would probably enjoy it while I was there.

Everything just scares me. I mean, I love my life and I truly do not believe I was a bad person before my religious OCD appeared, but I just don’t think I was, or am, truly connected to God (I know I am a little bit, but definitely not to my full potential). Again, I’m just scared and my mind feels so full of thoughts that my favorite time of day is when I’m sleeping.

I’m sorry for writing this incredibly long message, and I hope someone can help me out. I’m really stressed and I don’t know what to do. But I will admit, that one thing good did come out of this, and that it’s I’m being more aware and God and that I’m making him a big part of my life. So maybe God wanted this to happen to me to teach me a lesson? Maybe it’s all for the better? I hope so.

Thank you. God Bless.
 
Jesus,our Lords peace be whit You.
I understand You well,and see how this is affecting Your life. One question I can ansver for sure is if You may pray to Our Blessed Virgin,and yes,You both can an should. Ask Her to pray for You,and pray the rosary.
You are wery young,and what You wrote is almost always normal,don’t worry.
I sometimes feel the same,and I have found a way out of it. You need to be strong in Your faith to do this,but I can say for sure that God is real,so is everything else told in the Bible and in what the Church teaches,so You can be sure,You can beleive. What I will ask You to do is a hard thing,and You will fall once in a while,but Jesus is whit You every step,the hardest thing in faith is to lean on it. It is easy to say I believe,but the advice I will give You is that You in every prayer include theese words:“If it is Your will”,or “If You want”. By saying theese lines,You leave Yourself totaly on Your faith,and I can tell You,it is the best feeling You can get. To totaly surrender to Jesus,and I also wish You will talk a priest,make an appointment and speak to him,explain,and he will help You. Remember,“If it is Your will”.
 
Can someone please reply? I have the exact same problem. When I do get those horrible thoughts, they cloud my entire mind so that I cannot think clearly for the duration of the thought. This can last for up to 2 days.

Soon enough I will speak to a priest about it. Although I feel a bit ashamed of admitting to this when Im only in RCIA.
 
There is a group here on CAF, for OCD / Scroupolisty.

forums.catholic-questions.org/group.php?groupid=454

We just try to support one another and help each other deal with the challenges this condition belongs.

I will just throw out a few pointers real quick since it is getting late. First thing to remember is that we have a medical condition, it is nothing to be ashamed of, just something we have. Our minds tend to lock onto something and it will usually take a long time to let go.

If a thought causes us anxiety or stress, that is what the OCD will keep throwing at us. Since bad thoughts about God or anything or anybody that is sacred or Holy to us will cause us “pain” or stress this is what the OCD will us to cause us more anxiety. It is sort of like a loop, bad thoughts cause us anxiety, so this fuels more and so the cycle goes.

The best advice is to just let these thoughts just pass through, if you try to fight them or let them cause you grief you renfoce them and cause more of them. The other thing to do is to fight the compulsion that come with all of this. For instance if we feel that after we have a bad thought we need to say a certain prayer or some other “ritual” we need to stop that and not do what the compulsion is telling us to do.

Another thing to remember is that we are not being punished by God or if we don’t say a prayer absolutely perfect we are not going to be punished.

Hope some of this helps. God Bless you all!
 
scimitar60, please do not be ashamed, this is nothing that you did or didn’t do. It is based in a medical condition. Just remember that the Priest is there to help you, not to judge you. When these thoughts really cloud your mind, offer them to Jesus and then just gather all of your strength and continue on with your day and just do the best you can.
 
PSULucky, first thing I would say is to not be so hard on yourself! You are still young and it takes most of us time to grow and mature in our faith. I have OCD and I have been scrupulous for a little while now. I have learned to not always trust my feelings. I think for those of us with OCD our feelings can trick us. Our minds don’t always work the way they should. Anything that causes us stress or anxiety will become fuel for OCD thoughts.

One example for me, is I will feel like I have committed a mortal sin, my mind will be telling me over and over again, but when I really look at the situation I realize that no I did not commit a mortal sin, but my mind will keep trying to convince me. In this case I just think whatever and just ignore that nagging thought.

You mention not feeling like going to Mass, but it is not the feeling so much as the doing. If you don’t feel like going to Mass, but you go anyway, then it is a wonderful thing! Basically the feeling of not wanting to go is a temptation. Remember God knows our struggles better than we do, so he knows what you are going through and he is right there with us. So my best advice to you is to look at your feelings from a logical point of view and slowly you will learn to sort out your thoughts and you will be able to have a richer, fuller relationship with God. Trust we on this, After working through the OCD I have come to have a much fuller relationship with God, I am by no means healed yet, but things keep getting better!
 
Wonderful advice from Mustang1971. You’ll notice he keeps saying you and he have a medical condition. Please, please ask your parents to take you to the doctor. There is help for this.

Betsy
 
Thank you everyone for your support. I am now praying the rosary.

God bless.
 
  1. Seek a Priest to help (in confession and perhaps out of confession)
  2. Talk with your parents about seeking out a good Catholic Doctor and theropist (they can call Catholic Charities perhaps)
 
PSULucky

Don’t worry I have the same problems. Don’t worry about your mother, God will not punish someone else for something you do. God is not angry with you for the way you pray He is pleased that you care about praying. Love God above all things, follow the Commandments, and love your neighbor and that will please God.
 
I think OCD/perfectionism/scrupulosity is simply the desire to do things right-which is a good thing-but out of balance-out of control. All of our appetites or desires can suffer from this situation because as humans we’re off balanced as a consequence of original sin, due to our separation from God. God makes nothing which is disordered by its nature. Read Ecclesiastes, especially chapter 3-I think it sheds some light on this indirectly. Only God is perfect in and of Himself, only He is all in all. For the rest of us our perfection is a relative quality-a balance between extremes.

The “awful” reality here on earth is that* we *have the freedom of control over what we’ll believe to be correct or incorrect behavior. Here is where we need to learn how to let God be God, how to rest in Him.
 
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