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What do you think of Religious being engaged in the internet forums and discussions? My brother ( a priest) suggested it to me a few months ago and I was hesitant at first because you hear so much junk going on in the internet world. But to my surprise I found it to be “friendly” and conducive to evangelization! I don’t even have to cross the ocean to spread the good news, I can do it right here! I’ve met nice people too who are just happy to have somebody who works for God answer their questions. So, I say, I’m happy I found this medium!
 
Welcome to the forum, Sister Helena!

From the perspective of a young woman discerning a call to the religious life, I think it’s great to have contact with Religious on the net: I love being able to talk with people who are further along in the process of discernment than I am, especially those who are already living the religious life. Not only because they can answer practical questions about day-to-day life, but also as a source of inspiration for people who are still searching for their vocation.

Could you tell us a bit about your discernment process, and also your Order, please? I’m always interested in learning more about the religious life!
 
It’s marvelous from the standpoint of edification. For example, while many of us lay people are very educated in the faith, sometimes people have specific questions “for a priest” which only a priest with his experience or seminary training might be able to answer. There are a few religious who post regularly on these boards and they always add wonderful insight to our discussions with their informed answers.
 
Hello Spiritu!

Thanks for the welcome. i was just asking a friend how I’ll find out when someone replies to a thread and then I got a notice in the mail about you! Amazing! Wonder of wonders!
Anyway, if you are interested, you can check out my blogsite which has my vocation story.

www.srhelena.blogspot .com:)

And check our website: www.carmelitesisters.com

I’m glad to meet you!
 
I love your blog, your pictures & everything about you being on the net. I pray that someday I can be considered a religious on the net 😉
 
Dear Sister Helena of Mary, I am very joyful to have religious sisters/brothers/priests on this website. We really need you hear for your support, guidance, wisdom, love, prayers, etc … yes…we welcome you here wholeheartedly.
 
So, let’s start a discussion. DO you think we really have a shortage of vocation in this country? It really is not correct to say that vocation to religious life is diminishing because we see an increased membership of religious coming from Asia and Africa, . So what is going on here in our own country? Why do you think there is such a vocation crisis? What are we doing wrong?
 
So, let’s start a discussion. DO you think we really have a shortage of vocation in this country? It really is not correct to say that vocation to religious life is diminishing because we see an increased membership of religious coming from Asia and Africa, . So what is going on here in our own country? Why do you think there is such a vocation crisis? What are we doing wrong?
No, I don’t think we have a shortage of people being called to religious life. I think we have a shortage of people listening to the call.

Couples are having fewer children. They then don’t want to have their “only” son/daughter to be a religious. They want grandchildren.

Now, as a Mom to an only, if he is called to a religious life, I will just adopt his congregation. 😊 I just love kids, wish I could have had more and can’t wait for grandchildren.
 
What do you think of Religious being engaged in the internet forums and discussions? My brother ( a priest) suggested it to me a few months ago and I was hesitant at first because you hear so much junk going on in the internet world. But to my surprise I found it to be “friendly” and conducive to evangelization! I don’t even have to cross the ocean to spread the good news, I can do it right here! I’ve met nice people too who are just happy to have somebody who works for God answer their questions. So, I say, I’m happy I found this medium!
Personally I think it is wonderful that you will be able to join our discussions as your ministry allows. Many times a viewpoint from a religious is just what is needed to balance a particular discussion. Welcome Welcome Welcome!
Blessings of Peace and All Good!
 
So, let’s start a discussion. DO you think we really have a shortage of vocation in this country? It really is not correct to say that vocation to religious life is diminishing because we see an increased membership of religious coming from Asia and Africa, . So what is going on here in our own country? Why do you think there is such a vocation crisis? What are we doing wrong?
As someone who worked with vocations in the 80’s and now is somewhat involved in my parish now. I don’t think that there is a vocation crisis per se, I agree there is a shortage here in the U.S. ,however I believe it is more of a pendulum effect. Emerging countries like Asia and Africa will have a larger number of vocations just as Ireland did after the famine and how the U.S. did for so many years. I think as our younger people rediscover their religious roots we will slowly find an increase in vocations.

As someone who has worked in vocations before and hopes to do some good [now] …

A few things I would like to see done to promote more vocations both to the priesthood but also to religious life is more outreach. In my mind it is not enough to speak about vocations one or two weekends a year at Mass. We need active programs to show young people that it is “okay” to want to enter religious life. I think also that perhaps more programs need to be formed to help those with vocations who have debt. * One other thought is … In my (second) discernment process I found it interesting that for a woman seeking religious life… there are few discernment groups or retreats available… It is almost as though you need to know beforehand the community or rule you wish to follow…

Sr Helena what are your thoughts???**
 
As someone who worked with vocations in the 80’s and now is somewhat involved in my parish now. I don’t think that there is a vocation crisis per se, I agree there is a shortage here in the U.S. ,however I believe it is more of a pendulum effect. Emerging countries like Asia and Africa will have a larger number of vocations just as Ireland did after the famine and how the U.S. did for so many years. I think as our younger people rediscover their religious roots we will slowly find an increase in vocations.

As someone who has worked in vocations before and hopes to do some good [now] …

A few things I would like to see done to promote more vocations both to the priesthood but also to religious life is more outreach. In my mind it is not enough to speak about vocations one or two weekends a year at Mass. We need active programs to show young people that it is “okay” to want to enter religious life. I think also that perhaps more programs need to be formed to help those with vocations who have debt. * One other thought is … In my (second) discernment process I found it interesting that for a woman seeking religious life… there are few discernment groups or retreats available… It is almost as though you need to know beforehand the community or rule you wish to follow…

Sr Helena what are your thoughts???**

I also believe that God still continues to call individuals to follow him in religious life now as in past ages. But it certainly boils down to “are people listening?” And if they say they are, “what are they hearing?”. you have to agree that ever since the 60’s with its trail of “new self discoveries”, and new found “freedoms”, organized religion has taken a back-seat. The notion of total obedience (giving up my freedom of choice), poverty (giving up all the modernities), chastity and celibacy (not having sex and not having a family) is so against the culture of our times. There is also a problem with Catechesis or knowledge of the Catholic Faith. It amazes me to find out that even those who are products of catholic schooling are so deficient in the basic knowledge of our Catholic practices and why Catholics believe in the things they believe in.

Now having said all that, working for vocation would mean bearing in mind the kind of Catholic generation we are dealing with here. We should have programs yes, and especially programs about Catholic Faith, at local levels to increase Faith Catechesis I believe this is happening now with all these Faith Core groups in parishes and universities.

I think the value of witness from Religious cannot be overestimated. Young people look for concrete realities not ideas. they gravitate to what they can see, hear and touch. In the USA, with our pluralistic ideas of religious life, we often confuse them more than help these discerners. You don’t have to take my word for it, but the biggest discussion groups on the forums are often about religious habits or lack of it. Modern generation needs to see the reality, not just read about it.

Religious also has the obligation to “walk the walk and talk the talk.” In other words, be authentic. Young people are very acutely sensitive to how religious live the way they say they live. Are they really true to what they “advertise” themselves to be? If you say the community is a contemplative community, do they really pray? Pray together? If we claim to be in love with Jesus, do we really treat and relate to each other in community like we love each other in Jesus? Young people these days often come from problematic family situations and they are looking for the family values they lack and the love they need.

Networking and support systems are also needed these days. It’s a different world of instant replies and instant connections. One does not have to cross state lines to reach someone. So being present in the media is a tool for reaching out and for making the love of Jesus available to young people who engage the world in this way.

In the end, all our human means will be fruitless if God does not bless our efforts. The words of Jesus “Pray to the Harvest Master…” is still as valid today as 2000 years ago. we have to continue to beg and pray that he sends us men and women who will be open to his invitation. But unless those he had already called, be true to the gift he has first given them, that gift will be taken away and given to another.
 
So, let’s start a discussion. DO you think we really have a shortage of vocation in this country? It really is not correct to say that vocation to religious life is diminishing because we see an increased membership of religious coming from Asia and Africa, . So what is going on here in our own country? Why do you think there is such a vocation crisis? What are we doing wrong?
First of all Sister, welcome. I’m Br. Julian Richard, OSF, but everone knows me as JR.

To answer your question, I also believe that the Lord is raising up new charisms in the USA as well as reshaping old ones. My own community started as a group of Secular Franciscan men (SFO) who wanted to live in a community house. We were all single or widowers. We wanted to live the Gospel in the manner of St. Francis, but within the secular world. The secular world needs the gospel brought into the office, the bank, the shop, and so forth. These are places where traditional religious normally do not find themselves.

As our numbers grew we became an autonomous group of Franciscans and were eventually received by the local bishop as the Order of St. Francis (OSF) under the title of Franciscan Brothers of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. We made vows like any other religious does, but we continue to work in secular contexts.

For example, I run a high school for teens with emotional disabilities. Everyone on the staff is secular, about half are Catholic and the other half are Jewish. We have two Protestants. You’d be amazed how the kids and the staff come to my office not to discuss academics, but to talk about their life and their search for meaning. This is where I do the most important part of my ministry. This is where I help them think about God.

The other day one of our Jewish teachers came up to me and said, “I can see how much you love these kids, despite their strange behaviours. When I walk into a room and you’re there, I can almost touch the love.”

The kids on the other hand always ask me about my life as a monk. They don’t understand that I’m a mendicant, not a monk. I let them believe that I’m a monk as long as it allows me to share with them. In that environment, we’re not allowed to teach the faith. But there is no rule about answering questions initiated by the students. They see my habit and they ask questions. They are very excited about the answers.

My point is that maybe we don’t have such a shortage as we think, but that many men and women are answering God’s call to religious life, secular orders, and even the priesthood within alternative contexts, that is, contexts that are new.

I recall seeing one of the Franciscans of the Renewal walking down the streets of NYC rapping about life and abortion, Fr. Stan. I can’t recall his last name.

I’m looking at the Sisters of Life who are really cousins to the Dominican Sisters of St. Cecilia. They follow their statutes, but they are in a different context from the Dominicans of St. Cecilia. They are very much in the pro-life ministry.

We have a new community of Franciscan Friars just outside of Boston called the Franciscans of the Primitive Observance. They do not commit themselves to any kind of institution, even parishes. Their call is to live a life of fraternity among their neighbors. Their ministry is to walk the streets and beg. But while they beg, they attract many people and they get to preach as our holy father Francis did 800 years ago.

I’m thinking that the Lord is calling, the problem is that people are waiting for the traditional ring tone. That is going to come for some, but not for all.

I have to chuckle, because we have changed the ring tones on our phones, but we want God to keep the same ring tone on his. When we feel attracted to live the Gospel and the evangelical counsels outside the box, we immediately think it must be a wrong number and don’t answer. Hence, we have a shortage of responses to the Lord’s call.

Those are my two cents.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF
 
The kids on the other hand always ask me about my life as a monk. They don’t understand that I’m a mendicant, not a monk.
I’m sure this has been explained many times, but as usual, I’m a day late and a dollar short in understanding. What is the difference between a monk, a friar, and a mendicant (who I always thought was a begging friar)?
 
I’m sure this has been explained many times, but as usual, I’m a day late and a dollar short in understanding. What is the difference between a monk, a friar, and a mendicant (who I always thought was a begging friar)?
A monk lives a life of stability. He or she is attached to a monastery for life. A friar is a mendicant. He is an itinerant religious who owns no property, makes no money and is not attached to any monastery, but is attached to his brotherhood where ever it may find itself. Therefore, a friar can be a missionary and monks are not. A friar is not attached to a diocese either. He goes where ever his brothers send him and he lives by his work. When his work does not generate income, he begs.

Some monks and friars are priests, but not all. The priesthood is not necessary for the religious life to exist. The religious life is a life consecrated to God by profession of the vows of chastity, poverty and obedience.

Most priests do not make vows. Most are secular men, usually called diocesan priests. They make a promise of obedience to their bishop and a promise of celibacy. But they are not bound to a brotherhood or a monastery. They can own property, even be very wealthy. For example, Pope Benedict is a secular priest. He owns his own home in Germany, which is where his brother, Fr. George, lives. The only priests who make vows are those who join a religious community that has vows. In that case, they are no longer attached to the diocese or bound to the bishop. Neither the bishop nor the diocese has authority over them. They answer to their brothers in community. Usually, a brother is elected as superior for a specific period or for life. it depends on the community.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Let’s open another discussion: Vocation work has become a ministry all on its own. It used to be that religious communities waited for candidates to knock on their doors to request admission. Now, religious communities can no longer afford to sit and wait. Vocation Directors have taken courses and workshops on how to attract vocations and how to retain vocations. Vocation forums (like this one) have mushroomed everywhere. So the question is: Are we on the right track? Or is there more to vocation work than marketing and recruitment?
 
Let’s open another discussion: Vocation work has become a ministry all on its own. It used to be that religious communities waited for candidates to knock on their doors to request admission. Now, religious communities can no longer afford to sit and wait. Vocation Directors have taken courses and workshops on how to attract vocations and how to retain vocations. Vocation forums (like this one) have mushroomed everywhere. So the question is: Are we on the right track? Or is there more to vocation work than marketing and recruitment?
They also need to learn how to hold on to the vocations they get. The Sisters of the Resurrection in the Chicago Province have had dozens of candidates and not one sister has taken final vows in over thirty years.
 
Let’s open another discussion: Vocation work has become a ministry all on its own. It used to be that religious communities waited for candidates to knock on their doors to request admission. Now, religious communities can no longer afford to sit and wait. Vocation Directors have taken courses and workshops on how to attract vocations and how to retain vocations. Vocation forums (like this one) have mushroomed everywhere. So the question is: Are we on the right track? Or is there more to vocation work than marketing and recruitment?
I think this is a really interesting subject, Sister. It seems to me that the church as a whole doesn’t do enough to aid people in discernment, or typically raise the subject in a supportive and enabling fashion. My experience of talks on vocation from priests and religious is typically about discerning a vocation to their particular way of life or calling, not towards God’s will.

I think vocations ministry should be much broader than that, and be directed at helping all people to find the place where God wants them to be, whether that’s married, single, secular order, priest or religious. If everyone was directed towards God’s will for them, the issue of whether there are ‘enough’ religious and priests would sort itself out. 🙂
 
I think this is a really interesting subject, Sister. It seems to me that the church as a whole doesn’t do enough to aid people in discernment, or typically raise the subject in a supportive and enabling fashion. My experience of talks on vocation from priests and religious is typically about discerning a vocation to their particular way of life or calling, not towards God’s will.

I think vocations ministry should be much broader than that, and be directed at helping all people to find the place where God wants them to be, whether that’s married, single, secular order, priest or religious. If everyone was directed towards God’s will for them, the issue of whether there are ‘enough’ religious and priests would sort itself out. 🙂
That is a very interesting and valid point to raise. If you till the ground where God can sow the seed, there might be a seedling there intended for the Order where a vocation director belongs. My experience with this is (and I am not a vocation director) that because the resources of each communities are strained (time, manpower, skills) vocation work is streamlined to focus particularly in the work of recruiting candidates to their particular communities. It has been mentioned that Vocation Work is geared primarily to this particular intention as opposed to Retreat Work which is geared towards a more general spirituality program.
My own opinion is that being authentic to one’s calling is half the job. If I am living my religious life the way I should, it will speak for itself in words and deeds. I was drawn to religious life by the example of a nun who did not say a word to me about vocation. It was her presence and example of quiet dedication and faithfulness which spoke volumes to me about how a life dedicated to God can be beautiful and noble. I have nothing against other ways of recruitment but I believe in the power of authentic witness.
 
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