Religious Orders in Other Denominations

[RevDrNorth]

Yes, and I think that is where some of these Ecumenical Relgious orders such as the Order of Saint Luke (United Methodist but ecumenical) or Order of Corpus Christi (United Church of Christ but open to any denomination in the Churches Uniting in Christ) may play a part. Many Protestants hunger for more depth to their worship and spiritual life. These orders catering to Protestants offer a place for that for married, single, clergy and lay as the Roman Catholic Orders do.

Also, and understandably, there seems to be a connection as I read various orders sites between Anglican and Lutheran orders and their Catholic brothers and sisters (they share a common theme).

As I discover the depth of the monastic and liturgical spiritual life I am astounded, Of course Christ lived in a liturgical world and practiced liturgical worship.

Rev North

 

[lak611]

Yes, and I think that is where some of these Ecumenical Relgious orders such as the Order of Saint Luke (United Methodist but ecumenical) or Order of Corpus Christi (United Church of Christ but open to any denomination in the Churches Uniting in Christ) may play a part. Many Protestants hunger for more depth to their worship and spiritual life. These orders catering to Protestants offer a place for that for married, single, clergy and lay as the Roman Catholic Orders do.

Also, and understandably, there seems to be a connection as I read various orders sites between Anglican and Lutheran orders and their Catholic brothers and sisters (they share a common theme).

As I discover the depth of the monastic and liturgical spiritual life I am astounded, Of course Christ lived in a liturgical world and practiced liturgical worship.

Rev North

This does not surprise me. I read an article in a magazine (maybe Christianity Today?) a while back that said that more Protestants are rediscovering liturgical practices.

 

[RevDrNorth]

This does not surprise me. I read an article in a magazine (maybe Christianity Today?) a while back that said that more Protestants are rediscovering liturgical practices.

Often certain Protestant practices can prove shallow (ie superficial). “Do you have a personal relationship…” and so on. I recall one evangelical pointing out the superficality of things like the 4 Spiritual Laws and that Christianity does indeed have intellectual depth, logic and so on but it was being lost.

When I read the rule of Saint Benedict or books by Norvene Vest on Benedictine spirituality it helps me to see this depth and the depth of scripture and so on.

I think Protestants often end up spiritually impovershed by superficiality. Catholics have greater spiritual depth BUT can often be impovershed in terms of scripture. Most Baptist high school students I know (sometimes middle schoolers) can run circles around Catholic adults in terms of knwoeldge of scriptures.
One needs balance (good Benedictine principal).

Rev North

 

[jmcrae]

This does not surprise me. I read an article in a magazine (maybe Christianity Today?) a while back that said that more Protestants are rediscovering liturgical practices.

At the grass-roots level, too. One of the interesting things is that I had been teaching from a Sunday Lectionary curriculum for several years, and then our Protestant church got onto the Revised Sunday Lectionary (which leaves out the Deuterocanonical books. It also has a Transfiguration Sunday on the Sunday before Ash Wednesday (this takes place on August 6th on the Catholic calendar) - and it divides Ordinary Time into the Season of Epiphany and the Season of Pentecost - other than these slight differences, it is identical to the Catholic Sunday Lectionary.

It blew my mind to realize that this “new discovery” of my church was “old news” to the Catholics - 2000 year old news, in fact. It’s not the reason I became Catholic, but it was certainly one less obstacle.

 

[lak611]

Catholics have greater spiritual depth BUT can often be impovershed in terms of scripture. Most Baptist high school students I know (sometimes middle schoolers) can run circles around Catholic adults in terms of knwoeldge of scriptures.
One needs balance (good Benedictine principal).

Rev North

I agree. That is why I have been attending Bible study at my parish for about 6 years now. I also read the Bible daily on my own, in addition to the Bible study. We used to take a break from Bible study in the summer, but now we are continuing. We start a new study tomorrow morning.

 

[lak611]

At the grass-roots level, too. One of the interesting things is that I had been teaching from a Sunday Lectionary curriculum for several years, and then our Protestant church got onto the Revised Sunday Lectionary (which leaves out the Deuterocanonical books. It also has a Transfiguration Sunday on the Sunday before Ash Wednesday (this takes place on August 6th on the Catholic calendar) - and it divides Ordinary Time into the Season of Epiphany and the Season of Pentecost - other than these slight differences, it is identical to the Catholic Sunday Lectionary.

It blew my mind to realize that this “new discovery” of my church was “old news” to the Catholics - 2000 year old news, in fact. It’s not the reason I became Catholic, but it was certainly one less obstacle.

I never knew Protestants used the lectionary until I started noticing that the Gospel readings always were the same. I volunteer at an ecumenical mission meal for the poor that is held at a Methodist church. The minister always reads the Gospel for the upcoming Sunday (the meal is held on Thursdays). After noticing they were the same readings, I asked him. He told me that many churches use the same lectionary, with only minor differences.

 

[RevDrNorth]

I agree. That is why I have been attending Bible study at my parish for about 6 years now. I also read the Bible daily on my own, in addition to the Bible study. We used to take a break from Bible study in the summer, but now we are continuing. We start a new study tomorrow morning.

You ended my evening on a very heartening note. That is great!!!
One of the things I enjoyed about the military community was that Catholics took a few lessons from their Prot Brethern and had fellowship after church AND adult Bible study.

I encourage Catholics to begin both of those if your parish does not have them.

Rev North

 

[O.S.Luke]

The Rule of Life that Order of St. Luke members live by is here. A short synopsis is this:

We affirm the apostolic hope
We live for the Church of Jesus Christ
We seek the sacramental life
We promote the corporate worship of the Church
We magnify the sacraments
We accept the call to service

When I professed life vows after 9 years of being in the order, I was reminded by my sponsor/mentor that my servanthood began not at my ordination, but at my baptism - indeed, my baptism WAS a setting apart from the world. As I sought spiritual direction, the Rule just seemed a logical way to order my life in order to serve Christ best.

O+

 

[RevDrNorth]

The Rule of Life that Order of St. Luke members live by is here. A short synopsis is this:

We affirm the apostolic hope
We live for the Church of Jesus Christ
We seek the sacramental life
We promote the corporate worship of the Church
We magnify the sacraments
We accept the call to service

When I professed life vows after 9 years of being in the order, I was reminded by my sponsor/mentor that my servanthood began not at my ordination, but at my baptism - indeed, my baptism WAS a setting apart from the world. As I sought spiritual direction, the Rule just seemed a logical way to order my life in order to serve Christ best.

O+

Very good thought from your spiritual director.

Rev North

 

[David_Zampino]

You joke about S. Baptists but I have read a number of fundamentalist web sites where they get bent out of shape about people like the great christian song writer Rich Mullins (writer of Awesome God, My Deliverer and so on) who adhered to a Franciscan life style (was apparently in RCIA at one point) and took private vows of Poverty, Chastity and Obedience or Brennan Manning (wonderful author of Raggamuffin Gospel) who is liturgical in his outlook (for obvious reasons) or even Michael Card (great Protestant Troubadour) who teamed up with John Michael Talbot (Great Catholic Troubadour).

As I understand it, Rich Mullins was in RCIA, and only a few days from his Profession of Faith when he was killed.

Brennan Manning – I have no use for, whatsoever. A former priest who accepts what pleases him, and rejects what pleases him, and sits in arrogant judgment of everyone else.

I’m dreadfully sorry that Michael Card suffered the persecution he did from his Protestant “brothers” for his collaboration with John Michael Talbot. He’s a good and decent person.

I’m a huge John Michael Talbot fan.

 

[RevDrNorth]

As I understand it, Rich Mullins was in RCIA, and only a few days from his Profession of Faith when he was killed.

Brennan Manning – I have no use for, whatsoever. A former priest who accepts what pleases him, and rejects what pleases him, and sits in arrogant judgment of everyone else.

I’m dreadfully sorry that Michael Card suffered the persecution he did from his Protestant “brothers” for his collaboration with John Michael Talbot. He’s a good and decent person.

I’m a huge John Michael Talbot fan.

Okay…tell me how you really feel about Fr. (former) Manning

Rev North

 

[lak611]

The Rule of Life that Order of St. Luke members live by is here. A short synopsis is this:

We affirm the apostolic hope
We live for the Church of Jesus Christ
We seek the sacramental life
We promote the corporate worship of the Church
We magnify the sacraments
We accept the call to service

When I professed life vows after 9 years of being in the order, I was reminded by my sponsor/mentor that my servanthood began not at my ordination, but at my baptism - indeed, my baptism WAS a setting apart from the world. As I sought spiritual direction, the Rule just seemed a logical way to order my life in order to serve Christ best.

O+

God bless you. :bible1:

 

[Publisher]

As I understand it, Rich Mullins was in RCIA, and only a few days from his Profession of Faith when he was killed.

Brennan Manning – I have no use for, whatsoever. A former priest who accepts what pleases him, and rejects what pleases him, and sits in arrogant judgment of everyone else.

I’m dreadfully sorry that Michael Card suffered the persecution he did from his Protestant “brothers” for his collaboration with John Michael Talbot. He’s a good and decent person.

I’m a huge John Michael Talbot fan.

I am a huge Michael Card and John Michael Talbot fan. I love their album they did together…it has some of my favorite songs.

 

[DL82]

Before I became a Catholic, I spent about 2 years discerning whether I had a vocation to the Anglican Franciscans. This kinda came out of left-field for me, having come from an Evangelical background.

I remember reading an article by John Stott, the giant of British Evangelical Protestantism, on “re-monking” the church, and rediscovering the values of the monastic life to invigorate Christian witness. I can’t find the article, but this Protestant website makes reference to it ctlibrary.com/ct/2005/septemberweb-only/52.0.html

Even the presbyterian churches in Scotland have the Iona Community, which is an ecumenical monastic type community with a social outreach vision for inner cities, that includes members from the Church of Scotland, Free Kirk and Baptists.

 

[RevDrNorth]

Before I became a Catholic, I spent about 2 years discerning whether I had a vocation to the Anglican Franciscans. This kinda came out of left-field for me, having come from an Evangelical background.

I remember reading an article by John Stott, the giant of British Evangelical Protestantism, on “re-monking” the church, and rediscovering the values of the monastic life to invigorate Christian witness. I can’t find the article, but this Protestant website makes reference to it ctlibrary.com/ct/2005/septemberweb-only/52.0.html

Even the presbyterian churches in Scotland have the Iona Community, which is an ecumenical monastic type community with a social outreach vision for inner cities, that includes members from the Church of Scotland, Free Kirk and Baptists.

Very interesting

Since becoming Catholic have you considered any Third Orders such as the Carmelites, Oblates of St. Benedict, etc.

Rev North

 

[mercygate]

Below is a link to one here in the US. If I recall correctly, a LCMS pastor told me there were some in Europe (understandably). This order appears to have Brothers in Germany as well as the US. Some history of inter catholic relations (Lutheran-Catholic reconciliation) by one of the founders.

staugustineshouse.org/index.html

They apparently have good relations with a Roman Catholic Benedictine Order across the street and a group of RC Dominican sisters nearby.

Looks like they have a fellowship (associates) so you may want to explore it. There is a link to a German order of some kind.

Rev North

Catholic monastic communities often have good relations with non-catholic communities and with individuals who are not Catholic but who are seeking a life of prayer. In the film “Trappist” a prominent figure is a Methodist minister who visits Mepkin Abbey for at least a month every year . . .

 

[mercygate]

Google Rich Mullins. It is interesting. He turned over all of his income to his church and in turn received a small income. Lived and worked on an Indian Reservation and loved St. Francis.

If I recall the Christianity Today article (several years ago), Michael card had a couple of tour venues cancelled. It was okay for Talbot to show up or Card but not together (looked too much like acceptance of Catholic faith). But then Chuck Colson has received a lot of flack for stating that Cahtolics were brothers in faith. Kind of sad.

Rev North

I don’t know who these composers are that you mention, but do they write Gregorian Chant?

 

[lak611]

I don’t know who these composers are that you mention, but do they write Gregorian Chant?

No, Contemporary Christian music.

 

[RevDrNorth]

I am a huge Michael Card and John Michael Talbot fan. I love their album they did together…it has some of my favorite songs.

Yes…it is too bad some saw Michael Card as in error for signing with JM Talbot.

Both have wonderful vocies. Good contemplative music.

Rev North

 

[lak611]

Yes…it is too bad some saw Michael Card as in error for signing with JM Talbot.

Both have wonderful vocies. Good contemplative music.

Rev North

I like both of them. I actually listen to “In the Studio” with Michael Card on Moody Broadcasting. That show and Ravi Zacharias’ show are the only two shows on Moody Broadcasting that I like.