Religious orders with the latin mass?

[BrooklynBoy200]

Does anyone know about any religious orders that have the latin mass? I know about FSSP, but thats diocesen, right? I mean one where religious priests have latin mass.

 

[Caesar]

FSSP is not Diocesan, it is a society of priests who do not take religious vows.

Umm, there are several traditional Benedictines, Franciscans, Carmelites and such. Hmm, the Una Voce international site had a page listing all traditional orders and congregations, but the page is down. You might be able to try again later- fiuv.org/en/4.asp

 

[BrooklynBoy200]

While we are on the topic of FSSP, do they have their own houses to live in or do they live like religious priests do?

And what’s a rectory?

 

[Caesar]

While we are on the topic of FSSP, do they have their own houses to live in or do they live like religious priests do?

And what’s a rectory?

Yes, most the FSSP priests I presume live in rectories at their parishes and oratories, or wherever they are stationed.

A rectory is a house connected to a church where the priest lives and often where the parish offices are located. I was once told that “rectory” is technicaly incorrect unless a Rector is living there, but the priest’s house is commonly called a rectory.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

FSSP is not Diocesan, it is a society of priests who do not take religious vows.

Umm, there are several traditional Benedictines, Franciscans, Carmelites and such. Hmm, the Una Voce international site had a page listing all traditional orders and congregations, but the page is down. You might be able to try again later- fiuv.org/en/4.asp

Just a note about the Carmelite group that celebrates the old Latin Mass.

They are not affiliated with either the Order of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel or the Order of Carmelites Discalced. They are an independent group founded under the diocese they are located in. They have also modified the traditional Carmelite habit with the addition of a crucifix.

 

[Caesar]

Just a note about the Carmelite group that celebrates the old Latin Mass.

They are not affiliated with either the Order of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel or the Order of Carmelites Discalced. They are an independent group founded under the diocese they are located in. They have also modified the traditional Carmelite habit with the addition of a crucifix.

Interesting.

I will be visiting the FSSP seminary in Denton next month, and part of the trip will be a visit to a convent of traditional cloistered Carmelite nuns. Are they not “officialy” Carmelites either? (I’m not sure of the exact name of the convent, but it is close to the seminary if that helps any).

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Interesting.

I will be visiting the FSSP seminary in Denton next month, and part of the trip will be a visit to a convent of traditional cloistered Carmelite nuns. Are they not “officialy” Carmelites either? (I’m not sure of the exact name of the convent, but it is close to the seminary if that helps any).

There are groups that use the name Carmelite but are not part of either the Order of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel or of the Order of Discalced Carmelites.

But as for sisters, there are many who are part of the Carmelite tradition while not being part of those two groups.

I am not sure about the group you are visiting. I have not heard of any with in the two main groups that use the old Latin Mass.

It depends but I do not think they are either O.Carm nor O.C.D.

But that doesn’t mean that they do not follow the traditions of Carmel, just that they are not of the original order.

 

[rtconstant]

On this subject I live in Nashville, TN and we have an order of Dominican Nuns here who dress in the old style habits and such. I’ve heard on Ave Maria radio before that they are considered very traditional. Would anyone know if they use the Latin Mass and such?

 

[lvngembrs]

The Marianists (sp?) which have priests, brothers, and sisters celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass.

 

[Ave_Maria_1]

St. John Cansius parish in Chicago has its own traditionalist priests I understand.

There are new institutes all the time. In addition to the FSSP, there is the one called Christ the King, Sovereign Lord–I think is the name. There is the Good Shepherd Institute too I think.

If you check with the Institute on Religious Life in Chicago
(www.religiouslife.org) they can probably help you.

I am only mentioning those who are in union with Rome, of course.

 

[Caesar]

St. John Cansius parish in Chicago has its own traditionalist priests I understand.

There are new institutes all the time. In addition to the FSSP, there is the one called Christ the King, Sovereign Lord–I think is the name. There is the Good Shepherd Institute too I think.

If you check with the Institute on Religious Life in Chicago
(www.religiouslife.org) they can probably help you.

I am only mentioning those who are in union with Rome, of course.

St. John Cantius in Chicago is not traditional- they just have a more traditional-style Novus Ordo Mass and occaisionaly a TLM.

And it is the Institute of Christ the King Soveriegn Priest you are thinking of.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

St. John Cantius in Chicago is not traditional- they just have a more traditional-style Novus Ordo Mass and occaisionaly a TLM.

And it is the Institute of Christ the King Soveriegn Priest you are thinking of.

I hate to disagree with you but their website seems to disagree with you on the word “occaisionaly”.

They four Masses on Sundays. The normative Mass twice on Sundays, once in Latin and once in English, and the Tridentine Mass twice, one a Low Mass the other a High Mass.

On Mondays, Tuesday, Thursday, and Fridays they have the normative Mass in English and the Tridentine Low Mass (occasionally subject to change).

On Wednesdays they have the normative Mass in English and the Tridentine Mass.

On Saturdays they have the normative Mass in English and the Tridentine High Mass.

On Holy Days of Obligation they have two normative Masses in English and two Tridentine Masses, one a Low Mass and one a High Mass.

So looking at their schedule it appears that both are offered in the same number.

Here is the link. Scroll down and click on the “Mass & Devotional Schedule”.

St. John Canitus

 

[Caesar]

I hate to disagree with you but their website seems to disagree with you on the word “occaisionaly”.

They four Masses on Sundays. The normative Mass twice on Sundays, once in Latin and once in English, and the Tridentine Mass twice, one a Low Mass the other a High Mass.

On Mondays, Tuesday, Thursday, and Fridays they have the normative Mass in English and the Tridentine Low Mass (occasionally subject to change).

On Wednesdays they have the normative Mass in English and the Tridentine Mass.

On Saturdays they have the normative Mass in English and the Tridentine High Mass.

On Holy Days of Obligation they have two normative Masses in English and two Tridentine Masses, one a Low Mass and one a High Mass.

So looking at their schedule it appears that both are offered in the same number.

Here is the link. Scroll down and click on the “Mass & Devotional Schedule”.

St. John Canitus

Ah, I stand corrected then.

However, they are still not a traditional order. I believe that they do not have the minor orders or the Subdiaconate, but they do very well in bringing tradition and solemnity into the Novus Ordo.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Ah, I stand corrected then.

However, they are still not a traditional order. I believe that they do not have the minor orders or the Subdiaconate, but they do very well in bringing tradition and solemnity into the Novus Ordo.

I am sorry but I do not like the use of the word traditional in the manner that you are using it here.

Yes, it is true that Canons Regular of Saint John Cantius does not have as part of its charism the sole celebration of the Tridentine Mass.

 

[Caesar]

I am sorry but I do not like the use of the word traditional in the manner that you are using it here.

I use the term to desribe such order and congregations as the FSSP and the ICRSS which use the traditional Roman Missal, Breviary, and Liturgical Calendar exclusively, have the minor orders and Subdiaconate, and provide a traditional formation.

So the Society of St. John Cantius is not really a traditional order as they use the New Roman Missal, Breviary and Calendar (except for their traditional Masses) and do not have the minor orders or subdiaconate.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I use the term to desribe such order and congregations as the FSSP and the ICRSS which use the traditional Roman Missal, Breviary, and Liturgical Calendar exclusively, have the minor orders and Subdiaconate, and provide a traditional formation.

So the Society of St. John Cantius is not really a traditional order as they use the New Roman Missal, Breviary and Calendar (except for their traditional Masses) and do not have the minor orders or subdiaconate.

I dislike the co-opting of the word traditional in this manner. If these are traditional and those Catholics who have a preference for the Tridentine Mass are called traditional Catholics then others must, by definition be untraditional.

I find that insulting. Catholics with a preference for the normative Mass are just as traditional as Catholics with a preference for the Tridentine Mass.

I would call these such orders Tridentine orders.

 

[Caesar]

I dislike the co-opting of the word traditional in this manner. If these are traditional and those Catholics who have a preference for the Tridentine Mass are called traditional Catholics then others must, by definition be untraditional.

I find that insulting. Catholics with a preference for the normative Mass are just as traditional as Catholics with a preference for the Tridentine Mass.

I would call these such orders Tridentine orders.

Of course, that just leads into the question of whether those who attend Novus Ordo Missae are “traditional” or not.

 

[batteddy]

The Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem are religious canons who follow the Tridentine mass and pursue the religious life and the priesthood under the Rule of St. Augustine. They are in St. Louis and I hope to join there.

They are a small order (3 men in a house) and lots of people dont like that (its a shame, because how then is it going to grow? All orders start out small), but I like it best as it is more personal and I know I can have a real effect and influence, and grow closer in fraternal charity.

They are rather monastic though. But Uncloistered and they want to carry out more Active apostolates…but they do say the full Hours in choir everyday (which I simply find easier than the requirement to say it privately if not in choir. It’s harder to say alone)

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Of course, that just leads into the question of whether those who attend Novus Ordo Missae are “traditional” or not.

Yes it does, but the current usage assumes that no one who attends the Missa Normativa is traditional.

I am (and many others I know are), so that argument is moot.

 

[carmelaltarboy]

Just a note about the Carmelite group that celebrates the old Latin Mass.

They are not affiliated with either the Order of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel or the Order of Carmelites Discalced. They are an independent group founded under the diocese they are located in. They have also modified the traditional Carmelite habit with the addition of a crucifix.

Just wanted to clarify that you are not speaking of the Carmelite Rite (Rite of Holy Sepulchre) that is offered in North Western Wyoming. This is not outside the control of the Father Prior.

I am an altar server for this Mass which uses the last updated missal of 1935 from the Carmelites. The mass is in a word, extraordinary (pardon the pun)!