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I see and know a lot of people who are beginning to become very religious and into their faith, and I am also learning a lot about God and trying to get to Heaven. However, what I don’t like is how a lot of people show off that they are religious or brag about how they went to church or went to a retreat, etc. Isn’t this sin? Shouldn’t we not talk or brag about how we did something religious or good ?? I mean I understand if you are telling someone what you are going to do for the day, but to always be telling someone how you went to a retreat, or went to church, bible study, etc. is kind of putting on a show , i don’t know.
 
I guess it’s a fine line between giving witness and boasting!

St Therese wrote this:
“You want to climb the mountain, whereas God wishes you to descend it. He is awaiting you in the valley of humility.”

She added “It seems to me that humility is truth (honesty).”
Therese is not only a Saint but also a Doctor of the Church.

Some relevant scripture is included below.

You are God’s beloved called to be saints.” [Romans 1:7]
Therefore our God: “Open to me the gates of holiness, I will enter and give thanks. This is the Lord’s own gate where the just may enter. I will thank You, for You have answered and You are my Saviour.” [Psalm 118:19-21] “It is God’s will that you grow in holiness.” [1Thessalonians 4:3]

Jesus, in Your desire for our personal and communal holiness in living the gospel, You taught us, “Your light must shine in the sight of others, so that, seeing your good works, they may give the praise to your Father in heaven.” [Matthew 5:16]

You desire us not to obscure Your light in us. Therefore, to allow Your light to shine out from one’s life does not represent a display of pride. The light of Your love most clearly manifests in humble hearts that joyfully acknowledge that all goodness—all loving kindness—comes from You. “If anyone wants to boast, let him boast about the Lord.” [Jeremiah 9:22]

We may feel doubtful and discouraged regarding our call to be saints, knowing how far from the reality we seem to others and to ourselves, yet most of us have little experience of how God perceives us. Therefore Jesus, give us trust to respond fully to the Spirit that shines through us before others.

You encourage us to allow this radiant presence of the Spirit, saying, “If anyone declares himself for me in the presence of individuals, I will declare myself for him in the presence of my Father in heaven.” [Matthew 10:32]

In accepting Your call to wholeness, we choose to love You above all and other persons as ourselves. This call requires us to take up our personal cross and follow You in love, prayer, and service of others. Therefore, it is not arrogant to seek sanctity, for to be truly holy means to be genuinely human. What is truly human is our creation in God’s image. Sin and indifference injures the fullness of our humanity.

Saint Therese of Lisieux encourages us in our attempts towards holiness in our vocation to love and serve. Of her own response to the call, she wrote, “This desire could certainly appear daring if one were to consider how weak and imperfect I was, and how after seven years in the religious life, I am still weak and imperfect. I always feel, however, the same bold confidence of becoming a great saint because I do not count on my own merits since I have none, but I trust in God who is Virtue and Holiness. God alone, content with my weak efforts, will raise me to Himself and make me a saint, clothing me in His infinite merits. I didn’t think then that one had to suffer very much to reach sanctity, but God was not long in showing me this was so and in sending me the trials I have already mentioned.” Therese remarked that such holiness may “not be evident to the eyes of mortals.”

We draw hope from this saint of ‘the consecrated ordinary’, whom Pope John Paul 2 declared a Doctor of the Church on October 19, 1997. Many Sisters in her Carmelite community were unaware of the holiness of her ‘ordinary’ deeds of kindness, and doubted that anything worthwhile could appear in her obituary circular. I implore God for ‘everyday’ love and trust such as Therese maintained before temptations of doubt and suffering. Like her, in ordinariness made holy by union with Jesus our God who lived ‘the ordinary life’, we must become shining lights in an era when disbelief, humanism and self-absorption prevail.

We ask God to give us dynamic confidence that holiness is not reserved for a favoured few. As Saint Paul taught, “each soul is God’s favourite” and God desires fulfilment of each person’s call to love God above all and others as self. Every person has a unique vocation and purpose, intended to enrich each other person’s soul for all eternity.
In our struggle towards love and faith, we need to pray.
 
It depends. Sometimes people can be just very thankful of how God is in their lives and not notice how they might be coming off as “I’m holier than thou”. It’s really hard to tell whether or not a person is bragging about themselves or just like to talk about how involved they are with God. Unless course you know that person very well. I’m not Mr. stud, varsity, football jock, popular, everybody know his name, fast tight car driving, all the girls dream of him, athletic guy. Instead my roll in the church is something that others think highly of me so I am proud of it. That means I do talk about my accomplishments, but I’m always weary not to come off as I’m better than you/ look at me type person.

When it comes to good deeds, we should follow Christ’s example and do them anonymously. Of course that can’t always happen, in which case the credit for doing them is our reward. Exclaiming about how I did this, this and that for the world is not encouraged. It is natural to want to take credit for all the individual good deeds we do, but if that is only why we do them, our chances of getting into heaven aren’t very great. The purpose of doing good and following what Christ told us to do is ultimately to get into heaven. Being recognized is only a side effect of it sometimes.

Further more we should also thank God for being able to do these wonderful deeds and to make church and retreats. After all He created us, and it wasn’t for Him doing that and giving each and every one of us life, there would be no good deeds. I disagree with those who take all the glory for themselves. God is the one who gives you courage to save somebody in that burning house; God is the one who gives you strength to volunteer in building house for a poor couple; God is the one who gives you patience in dealing with a difficult teacher, coworker, and/or boss.

So again it really can’t be up to us in deciding whether are person is sinning when they talk about they did. They could very well be ignorant on how them talking about what they did comes off as bragging.
 
I guess it’s a fine line between giving witness and boasting!

St Therese wrote this:
“You want to climb the mountain, whereas God wishes you to descend it. He is awaiting you in the valley of humility.”

She added “It seems to me that humility is truth (honesty).”
Therese is not only a Saint but also a Doctor of the Church.

Some relevant scripture is included below.

You are God’s beloved called to be saints.” [Romans 1:7]
Therefore our God: “Open to me the gates of holiness, I will enter and give thanks. This is the Lord’s own gate where the just may enter. I will thank You, for You have answered and You are my Saviour.” [Psalm 118:19-21] “It is God’s will that you grow in holiness.” [1Thessalonians 4:3]

Jesus, in Your desire for our personal and communal holiness in living the gospel, You taught us, “Your light must shine in the sight of others, so that, seeing your good works, they may give the praise to your Father in heaven.” [Matthew 5:16]

You desire us not to obscure Your light in us. Therefore, to allow Your light to shine out from one’s life does not represent a display of pride. The light of Your love most clearly manifests in humble hearts that joyfully acknowledge that all goodness—all loving kindness—comes from You. “If anyone wants to boast, let him boast about the Lord.” [Jeremiah 9:22]

We may feel doubtful and discouraged regarding our call to be saints, knowing how far from the reality we seem to others and to ourselves, yet most of us have little experience of how God perceives us. Therefore Jesus, give us trust to respond fully to the Spirit that shines through us before others.

You encourage us to allow this radiant presence of the Spirit, saying, “If anyone declares himself for me in the presence of individuals, I will declare myself for him in the presence of my Father in heaven.” [Matthew 10:32]

In accepting Your call to wholeness, we choose to love You above all and other persons as ourselves. This call requires us to take up our personal cross and follow You in love, prayer, and service of others. Therefore, it is not arrogant to seek sanctity, for to be truly holy means to be genuinely human. What is truly human is our creation in God’s image. Sin and indifference injures the fullness of our humanity.

Saint Therese of Lisieux encourages us in our attempts towards holiness in our vocation to love and serve. Of her own response to the call, she wrote, “This desire could certainly appear daring if one were to consider how weak and imperfect I was, and how after seven years in the religious life, I am still weak and imperfect. I always feel, however, the same bold confidence of becoming a great saint because I do not count on my own merits since I have none, but I trust in God who is Virtue and Holiness. God alone, content with my weak efforts, will raise me to Himself and make me a saint, clothing me in His infinite merits. I didn’t think then that one had to suffer very much to reach sanctity, but God was not long in showing me this was so and in sending me the trials I have already mentioned.” Therese remarked that such holiness may “not be evident to the eyes of mortals.”

We draw hope from this saint of ‘the consecrated ordinary’, whom Pope John Paul 2 declared a Doctor of the Church on October 19, 1997. Many Sisters in her Carmelite community were unaware of the holiness of her ‘ordinary’ deeds of kindness, and doubted that anything worthwhile could appear in her obituary circular. I implore God for ‘everyday’ love and trust such as Therese maintained before temptations of doubt and suffering. Like her, in ordinariness made holy by union with Jesus our God who lived ‘the ordinary life’, we must become shining lights in an era when disbelief, humanism and self-absorption prevail.

We ask God to give us dynamic confidence that holiness is not reserved for a favoured few. As Saint Paul taught, “each soul is God’s favourite” and God desires fulfilment of each person’s call to love God above all and others as self. Every person has a unique vocation and purpose, intended to enrich each other person’s soul for all eternity.
In our struggle towards love and faith, we need to pray.
Thank you so much for that lovely response :)… I guess i don’t like to tell people if i helped someone out, or if i am volunteering , or if i went to confession, etc. I do those things for God and don’t feel the need to be telling everyone what I did, unless it is to encourage them to do so. I think people should be more humble about doing good things.
 
You have discreton, and that is a respectful way for you to live. God will allow whom He wishes to see your quiet witness.

It is a fact though that a person’s spirit and motives is known only to himself…I must go, visitor!

God blessyou!
 
You have discreton, and that is a respectful way for you to live. God will allow whom He wishes to see your quiet witness.

It is a fact though that a person’s spirit and motives is known only to himself…I must go, visitor!

God blessyou!
Thank you! God Bless you also! 🙂
 
I find you to be a very sincere person and like you I’ve striven to try to understand how things work. Others and how they act or what they mean, can be confusing, and it’s hard sometimes to be sure where they’re coming from. One of the ways I sorted through insights was through writing, and sometimes I share my stuff here in CAF…I always kind of wondered what do do with it, apart from having it as the basis of my thought and returning to it when I needed to. Publish it under my own name? I never have though I’ve shared the book with some…over 100, 000 words I think it is. I called it all, “a handful of wildflower’ (poetic license because I really mean, 'a handful of weedflowers.” )This is because of the gifts my sons gave me as little boys, little bunches of dandelions or clover flowers given with great love, yet many would regard such gifts as worthless. Probably many do…but I share them sometimes for those who might find they say something they need…However it’s a work in progress, always.

but this puts me in the category of those who share their religious bits and pieces. Therefore I might be able to explain what is happening. Astonishingly out of the blue once, these lines came from my middle son when he was nineteen, “In ‘New Beginnings’ I believe God has given power to desire, and creative wisdom; and voiced it as clearly as that cry of the poor which pierces the clouds. Perhaps you should no longer say, ‘of what use is it to anyone.’ You received it, and it remains…" I used to call it ‘new beginnings’…Very moving coming from one’s son.The following is one of my attempts to do justice to others and their motivations. I have various prayers and even a couple of poems where I explored about others. Oh, I know you’re not judging anyone, your question is exploratory. What I’m saying is that those who do display their religion on their sleeve may simply be enthusiastic, naive, overjoyed, straightforward, inexperienced, any number of motivations…and we just have to leave it at that. For yourself, I believe you are doing it exactly right. For you, humility is the honesty of your quiet goodness and generosity…for someone else it will be “not hiding their light under a bushel” as Jesus said, or someone else…perhaps by my experience I can encourage you! We don’t have to really worry about others’ motivations as it’s between them and God, but we can always pray for others’ integrity in revealing their spirituality in case there is something self-seeking there. But you are doing it right for you, that is clear. One tends to catch a sense of others’ spirits on this forum.

Judgement of others
Jesus, please alert us when we are tempted to judge other people. Our judgements may be based on another’s opinion, on flimsy evidence or on past observations, without full knowledge of someone’s situation and nature. Even if others appear to blatantly sin, we cannot judge them according to Your vision. Please give us grace to extend impartiality and compassion to all others, friend, foe or stranger.

We cannot know others’ motivations or all the influences affecting them, so we have doubtless misjudged others more frequently than we realise.

Give us grace to avoid unkind or scandalous gossip.

Enlighten those who see a few incidents or an isolated occurrence or appearance, even from years past, and then presume to make a permanent judgement like “he always does this.” “She always is like that.” “He is that sort of person.” How unjust to judge others in this way! Even if former perceptions happen to be accurate, who can judge that any person has not advanced in wisdom or grace!

If we defend victims of misjudgement, some accusers reconsider their opinion, while others cling to prejudice. Some people believe that their subjective view of people, reality, and events is the only valid one; therefore, we cannot expect them to be open to contrary evidence or testimony. They honestly believe that their judgements are correct. They seem not to be fully responsible for the injustice of their viewpoints.

We cannot judge even these people for perhaps they suffer from personal insecurity or desire for ascendancy over others, due to immaturity or low self-esteem. Their lack of respect and compassion may be hurtful to someone we love or respect, but let us respond with Christian maturity, without besmirching their reputations. Please expand their mental and emotional maturity so that with just and empathetic understanding of others, they—and we—may make reparation for the reputation and welfare of anyone who has been maligned or misjudged.

We trust in Your love to pardon us and to greatly bless anyone we have sinned against by judgement or unkindness. Jesus, help us truly to love our sisters and brothers, whether or not we understand them. October 1999

Judge you, my brother?
God, eternity waits for those who live the gospel to truly share in Your delight in each person. With You, we will rejoice in everyone who accepts Christ’s invitation to follow Him with prayer, penance and generosity!

How profound is the giving required by that person, and this! What happiness, what anguish is known there! What temptation is encountered! What sensitivities enfeeble or enrich and sanctify that life! How great is Your glory in the strange or ordinary facts and struggles of their existence! Yet, how can we know?

We err in applying rules of private interpretation to another’s intention or act, except as feeble measure for our compassion and charity. Only by one’s private consciousness—unless enlightened by Your Spirit of love—can each see what lies in another’s soul.

Each person is a unique expression of Your love, an individual world, some great, and some miniature, separate in existence and consciousness, yet united in You. Yet how quickly do we judge each other! We offer You our hurt and theirs in prayer for healing and forgiveness.

Let us not belittle or betray, in thought, or by gossip—the seemingly sinful, the apparently misled or foolish, the ugly, the crippled in mind or spirit. Let us celebrate their preciousness in You. Let us no longer sin against Your sacred love and creation in anyone by our judgements however seemingly justified.

Let Your Holy Spirit know and love each other person through us, with sensitivity to their emerging needs. Give us compassion for each other, however perplexed or inaccurate our perception, so that we revere each other—and ourselves—as individuals sacred to You.

Through Your Spirit, we can offer appreciation, justice and love to each other as we wait humbly on the full vision of Your meaning, purpose, and love of each person, in the final translation that follows death. Let us serve and intercede for each other person as loved child of God, in glad, trusting welcome.
 
Reading your post I feel I am dealing with this myself but from the other side. I’m in the process of getting to know God for the first time, and I feel myself changing as a person. It’s exciting and strange.

I want to talk about it, but it is often very difficult. I’m not well equiped to talk about what’s going on inside me, or my religion as a spiritual journey, so I end up talking about exterior things like what’s going on at church or (with my friends who are interested in that sort of thing, and occasionally others, if they’re unlucky enough to feign an interest :rolleyes:) the nuts and bolts of the liturgy.

I come away from these things feeling slightly dirty, as I want to share my enthusiasm with them, and end up entirely missing the mark. I’m sure I sometimes come off as if I’m bragging or as if I’m being distracted from a real spiritual journey by subsidiary concerns. Sometimes, it would be fair to say that I am, although not intentionally :o

It’s just hard for some people to talk about what they really want to talk about.
 
Thank you Trishie, for all that knowledge I need to know! And, thanks Statius, you are right.
 
MODERN CATHOLIC DICTIONARY

VANITY: or vainglory, an inordinagte desire to manifest one’s own excellence. it differs from pride, which is the uncontrolled desire for self-esteem, in that vanity primarily seeks to show others what a person has or has achieved. a vain person looks for praise fro others and may go to great lenghts to obtain it. more commonly vanity is associated with an exaggerated importance attached to multiple, especially external appearances, which in no way contain the value attributed to them. …it is an inflated pride and as such, is venially sinful.
 
MODERN CATHOLIC DICTIONARY

VANITY: or vainglory, an inordinagte desire to manifest one’s own excellence. it differs from pride, which is the uncontrolled desire for self-esteem, in that vanity primarily seeks to show others what a person has or has achieved. a vain person looks for praise fro others and may go to great lenghts to obtain it. more commonly vanity is associated with an exaggerated importance attached to multiple, especially external appearances, which in no way contain the value attributed to them. …it is an inflated pride and as such, is venially sinful.
Thnksssssss =)
 
I see and know a lot of people who are beginning to become very religious and into their faith, and I am also learning a lot about God and trying to get to Heaven. However, what I don’t like is how a lot of people show off that they are religious or brag about how they went to church or went to a retreat, etc. Isn’t this sin? Shouldn’t we not talk or brag about how we did something religious or good ?? I mean I understand if you are telling someone what you are going to do for the day, but to always be telling someone how you went to a retreat, or went to church, bible study, etc. is kind of putting on a show , i don’t know.
It`s kind of evangelizing, telling someone might prompt them to try these things out for themselves, but then again some people are so involved with their religion & Church, they have nothing else to talk about, which can be a good thing. When I was young & on fire with the Catholic Church, I talked about it a lot, & most thought I was nuts! LOL!Who knows, Maybe I was! Generally people dont want to be preached to , I found that out:)
 
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