Religious Priest serving mass question

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My question is are Religious Priests allowed to serve masses in there home parish.
Just say I was to join a Religious order in a different country and was returning home for a few weeks of the year. Would I be allowed to serve a mass in my home Parish ?

Would it be up to the reigning Priest just to say yes ? or would it be alot more difficult than that.

Thanks everyone.

Chris
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A priest is a priest. If you were a visiting religious priest, you would need the pastor’s permission to say Mass in his parish. On the weekends in my parish (espicially in the Summer!) we have various visiting priests who either say the whole Mass or co-celebrate with one of our regulars. Sometimes it’s nice to hear someone else give the homily. Son’t you just LOVE the Universal Church!! :dancing:
 
A priest is a priest. If you were a visiting religious priest, you would need the pastor’s permission to say Mass in his parish. On the weekends in my parish (espicially in the Summer!) we have various visiting priests who either say the whole Mass or co-celebrate with one of our regulars. Sometimes it’s nice to hear someone else give the homily. Son’t you just LOVE the Universal Church!! :dancing:
As a religious you would also need the permission of your superior and that of the local bishop.

This is usually taken care of though a letter from your superior stating that you are in good standing with the order/province that you give to the pastor of the parish and he either forwards that to the diocese or such diocesan approval has been delegated to him.
 
If you’re thinking of joining a religious order or religious congregation outside of your own country you may want to inquire about something else too. Some religious communities do not allow their religious to travel outside of their jurisdiction, province or region, however they organize themselves. I’m speaking from experience. Our friars may not travel outsid of our jurisdiction except for study or mission work. If your family lives outside the USA you may visit once every five years.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Hello Br. JR

It is something I will make sure to find out. While talking to the IVE they seemed to give the impression that with them you where allowed to travel back home twice a year.
How to some of the friars find this ? have you known some who have left for that reason alone ?
And are parents and family allowed to visit the friars at any time during the 5 years ?

Thans brother
 
Hello Br. JR

It is something I will make sure to find out. While talking to the IVE they seemed to give the impression that with them you where allowed to travel back home twice a year.
How to some of the friars find this ? have you known some who have left for that reason alone ?
And are parents and family allowed to visit the friars at any time during the 5 years ?

Thans brother
Most men and women who are on mission assignments away from home have the same rules. You go home every five years. Usually, when you return home, you are home anywhere from a month to three months. Now, you’re not with your parents and siblings that whole time. You divide your time between your family and the religious community. A religious may spend time with his/her family and also a lot time with their religious family.

No one leaves because of this. Religious life is about detachment. This is part of the life of obedience and poverty. You are nothing. You own nothing. No one owns you. You live totally for Christ and his people.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
What a beautiful way to put it.
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut Br. JR.

God bless
 
Most men and women who are on mission assignments away from home have the same rules. You go home every five years. Usually, when you return home, you are home anywhere from a month to three months. Now, you’re not with your parents and siblings that whole time. You divide your time between your family and the religious community. A religious may spend time with his/her family and also a lot time with their religious family.

No one leaves because of this. Religious life is about detachment. This is part of the life of obedience and poverty. ** You are nothing.** You own nothing. No one owns you. You live totally for Christ and his people.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I think the bolded part of your post needs a bit of clarification.

This phrase can be taken in such a way as to deny the dignity of the human being.

I know that is not what you meant but I think it does need to be clarified.
 
I think the bolded part of your post needs a bit of clarification.

This phrase can be taken in such a way as to deny the dignity of the human being.

I know that is not what you meant but I think it does need to be clarified.
I rarely disagree with Br. David, but here is a point on which I’m going to take a different route. I understand the concern abut human dignity. Being nothing is not a denial of human dignity. But I believe that one of the major reasons that there are so many reforms of religious life taking place today is because we religious are too hung up on our dignity. Every human being has a dignity that comes from being a child of God. Then there is the dignity that comes from our specific calling in life. No one denies that, especially our religious founders.

However, what many of us have lost is the humility that our founders bequeathed to us. This was the humility of Christ. We are only instruments with which God does as he pleases. To achieve this level of obedience, we have to achieve a deeper level of detachment. We have to detach from our wishes, our opinions, our aspirations and allow God to lead. God leads through the legitimate authority in our religious institutes. When we are told to go, we can either insist on a dialogue to discuss the merits of the command that we have been given or we can surrender our desire to dialogue and accept what we have been asked to do.

When a religious allows the preoccupation for his dignity to sneak in between his will and that of his superior, he’s in trouble. A loving obedience is about obeying as Christ obeyed, without murmuring, without resentment, without complaints. A loving obedience is one that is totally poor. I own nothing, not even my will. I own nothing, not even my ideas. I am nothing but an instrument. My role is to do good and disappear. The most noble form of obedience occurs when you have a better way of doing something and you sacrifice that to do the will of your superior, even though it may not be as efficient or effective. Such obedience is pleasing to God and man, according to Francis, Teresa of Avila, Bernard of Cleirveaux, and Teresa of Calcutta.

In the Ascent to Mt. Carmel , John of the Cross reminds us that nothingness is the place where we want to be so that God can reshape us. For nothingness poses not opposition. We religious have to move away from on our human dignity. That is a given for all of God’s children. We need to focus more on our nothingness. One of the major causes of dissent among religious is this preoccupation with ourselves, our rights, our dignity and our lack of preoccupation with our nothingness, our sinfulness, and our call to obey until death, without compromises as did our religious founders before us. Not only is this a cause for dissent among many religious, but it has triggered an exodus from many communities and the firth of many new communities and reforms of older communities. The younger generation wants a life of that is challenging and that is truly ascetic, not about their dignity, but about God’s will.

I tell our novices, “Let God worry about you. You worry about doing his Will. Be like your Father Francis, humble in all things, charitable to all people, and obedient at all times.”

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I rarely disagree with Br. David, but here is a point on which I’m going to take a different route. I understand the concern abut human dignity. Being nothing is not a denial of human dignity. But I believe that one of the major reasons that there are so many reforms of religious life taking place today is because we religious are too hung up on our dignity. Every human being has a dignity that comes from being a child of God. Then there is the dignity that comes from our specific calling in life. No one denies that, especially our religious founders.
Brother,
We do not disagree. I just wanted the clarification that you provided in your first paragraph here.
 
Brother,
We do not disagree. I just wanted the clarification that you provided in your first paragraph here.
I’m glad that we agree. 👍 We need to raise the bar on the kind of candidates that are seeking to enter the religious life. We need to recover the heroic spirit of religious life. The true heroic spirit is found in discipline, detachment and asceticism.

The OP asked the question about coming home. I was remembering that when my mother died I was in the Amazon. I was not given permission to attend her funeral. When I was a novice my sister got married. I did not attend the wedding. The rule was very simple. You do not leave the house of formation for 366 days, except to go to a doctor. I never felt uncomfortable or disappointed about this. I have a son and a daughter, as I was married and a widower. I see my daughter every other year. My son lives close by, so I see him once a year. In our tradition it is a given that your biological family is just that, biological. Your religious family is your greatest love. When you enter the community, you undertand that this is your family and you go where they are. All other relationships are important, but not as important as your religoius community. “If we love our family according to the flesh, how much more must we love our brothers given to us by the Holy Spirit and how much great are the sacrifices that we make for them,” (Rule of St. Francis). I don’t think that Francis of Assisi was unique in this.

As I write this I’m remembering people like St. Frances Xavier Cabrini, St. Damien of Malokai, Bl. Teresa of Calcutta and St. Maximilian Kolbe. They too went away from home and they never returned. St. Max is rather interesting because he went to Japan, then back to Poland. When he returned to Poland his mother was in a covent not far from the friary. But he never saw her again. The Conventual Franciscans did not allow their friars to visit their families. His mother had entered a Franciscan convent, so she could not leave to visit her son either. They stayed in touch by mail.

Today, the rules are a little different, at least among Franciscans. We do visit our families once a year, if they are in the same region. We visit for 10 days. They can visit us and there are no restrictions, except common sense. If you’re in the missions, you visit every five years. Of course we have plane travel, which means that you can go back and forth faster.

I guess that my point is, if you’re entering a religious community the determining factor should be that you feel at home, not how often you can go back to your parental home. Your parental home is one of the gifts that you give back to the Lord. Your parents and siblings are precious gifts that God has given you. They are the most precioius sacrifice that you give back to God.

If one feels the need to remain close to family and home, then one should seriously consider entering a diocesan seminaary if you want to be a priest or a diocesan community if you want to be a religious.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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