"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Ex 20:8).

[Richard_Kastner]

You have to look at Christ to understand the fullness of Scriptures.

Instead you are looking at the Old Testament, and not Christ. So your religion is not Christ based.

You don’t think that the OT is about Christ? I think He disagrees with you.

Jn.5
39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41I receive not honour from men.
42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Because your religion is not based on the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, as Catholicism is, yours is a mixture of restorationist interpretation of the Old Testament, and using your understanding of the Old Testament, not Christ through the Holy Spirit and the traditions the apostles gave us in understanding faith, it can’t be authentically Christian.

Now whose being anti? Besides being utter nonsense.

Otherwise, part of your construct would not need to be anti other forms of Christianity—after the fact.

Again how am I anti anything, because I tell you the truth?

Your religion is based on a certain day of the week. Watch out for phariseeism.

Jn14
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Rev.12
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Do you keep the commandments of God or man Kathleen?

 

[KathleenGee]

You just admitted it yourself in your final comment.

You see Christ’s Church as man made.

You are denying Christ, His love, His redemption, and His will and power to choose His
Apostles, to pick Peter as Head, and His foretelling of the Holy Spirit Who would teach us in His Church.

Sacred Scripture IS the Eternal Word, Jesus Christ…Scripture is fulfilled in Jesus Christ, His Church based on Christ Himself…and not a religion based on the Old Testament practice of the 7th day of the week. If you base your faith on a certain day of the week, that is not a faith based on Christ but the letter of the law.

If your faith in God was truly based on His love, you would not have the issues you have as an SDA. You would see Christ’s Church in practice for 2,000 years.

You can’t explain why Christ did not rise from the dead on the 7th day. If He had done so, then the Old Law would still hold.

 

[KathleenGee]

The Seven Day Church is not the church Christ founded. It was started here in the United States in the 1800’s as part of the restorationist movement that sees our Church and pope as the anti-Christ, and so on.

You take out the anti-Catholicism, Richard, then how much ‘fire’ is left?

 

[Richard_Kastner]

You just admitted it yourself in your final comment.

You see Christ’s Church as man made.

I see the CC as man made.

You are denying Christ, His love, His redemption, and His will and power to choose His
Apostles, to pick Peter as Head, and His foretelling of the Holy Spirit Who would teach us in His Church.

No I’m not. He didn’t pick Peter as the head of His church. He based His church on Himself. The Rock of Ages.

Sacred Scripture IS the Eternal Word, Jesus Christ…Scripture is fulfilled in Jesus Christ, His Church based on Christ Himself…and not a religion based on the Old Testament practice of the 7th day of the week. If you base your faith on a certain day of the week, that is not a faith based on Christ but the letter of the law.

We don’t base our religion on a day of the week. We just keep God’s commandments.
Jn.14
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

If your faith in God was truly based on His love, you would not have the issues you have as an SDA.

What issues would those be?

You would see Christ’s Church in practice for 2,000 years.

I do.

You can’t explain why Christ did not rise from the dead on the 7th day. If He had done so, then the Old Law would still hold.

Actually I did a few posts back.

Because He rested in the grave. Even in death Christ kept the commandments.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

The Seven Day Church is not the church Christ founded. It was started here in the United States in the 1800’s as part of the restorationist movement that sees our Church and pope as the anti-Christ, and so on.

You take out the anti-Catholicism, Richard, then how much ‘fire’ is left?

Christ founded the church that keep the commandment and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev.12
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Nicea325]

No it doesn’t. Isaiah puts this in to show us the importance of keeping the commandments of God rather than the commandments of men. Also that the Sabbath will be kept in the new heaven and earth.

Actually I’m not “putting one day of the week, Saturday, above all others as the one acceptable day of worship and rest.” God is to be worshiped every day, but He set aside one day where we can have a special fellowship with Him. Saturday is not arbitrary. The seventh day is the Sabbath day. Ex.20:10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God. It denotes a specific day that God has designated for His holy day. Not me.

So what day do you consider the Sabbath?

Above you said that “Sunday isn’t even considered a sabbath”. Now you say “It fulfills the spirit of the commandment”. So do you think that this commandment of man has replaced God’s commandment to keep the seventh day Sabbath or not? There is no shadow in the fourth commandment. It is a memorial of creation. Ex.20:11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. I condemn no one. That’s not my job. James2: 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

What NONSENSE and pure theological ignorance by the SDA sect. Get over it! The SDA are not Jews!

If you insist on the Saturday Sabbath, then you have to accept and practice ALL of the Old Law, such as circumcision, bloody sacrifices, and all those ‘good’ things in Leviticus. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot have part of the old and part of the new.

All of the commandments are moral laws…the Sabbath. It was a ceremonial law.
Ceremonial laws are subject to change.

SDA are DEAD WRONG!

 

[Nicea325]

I see the CC as man made.

No I’m not. He didn’t pick Peter as the head of His church. He based His church on Himself. The Rock of Ages.

We don’t base our religion on a day of the week. We just keep God’s commandments.
Jn.14
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

What issues would those be?

I do.

Actually I did a few posts back.

Because He rested in the grave. Even in death Christ kept the commandments.

The CC is man-made? Richard kindly show us the empirical evidence the CC was founded by a mere human? I want to read PRIMARY sources confirming your SDA charge as a fact!

 

[JustaServant]

The CC is man-made? Richard kindly show us the empirical evidence the CC was founded by a mere human? I want to read PRIMARY sources confirming your SDA charge as a fact!

Doesn’t look like he’s going to be able to answer as the banned word is under his name now.
Always amazes me that people will claim the CC is ‘man-made’, offer no proof of that amazing statement, but ignore proof the SDA is man-made.
Talk about blindness.

 

[Nicea325]

Doesn’t look like he’s going to be able to answer as the banned word is under his name now.
Always amazes me that people will claim the CC is ‘man-made’, offer no proof of that amazing statement, but ignore proof the SDA is man-made.
Talk about blindness.

Exactly! It is called turning the blind eye for their man-made novelties.

 

[KathleenGee]

I just did a brief study on the SDA belief…and at their main website they have a topics’ list…and only Roman Catholicism is used.

They see history as simply Papal domination from the late 500’s AD to 1700’s AD. The Pope is the Anti-Christ because the popes wore ‘a tiara having the inscription: Viceregent of the Son of God’.

There has never been such an inscription used on a papal tiara according to Catholic sources, and the only ones bringing this out are the Biblical websites having the Catholic Church as one of the horns mentioned in Revelations.

The SDA’s essentially see the Papacy as the Leopard in a series of beasts mentioned in Revelations…and with its diplomatic relations with the USA, the Catholic Church is now seen as the horn like a lamb.

So for Richard to answer with his interpretation of Revelations, that is why you are getting the cryptic answers he is giving you.

The SDA’s are intensely anti-Catholic…and I can sense it in his remarks.

He totally ignores any reference to early Church history and how the Mass evolved to Sunday, the 8th day.

 

[Nicea325]

I just did a brief study on the SDA belief…and at their main website they have a topics’ list…and only Roman Catholicism is used.

They see history as simply Papal domination from the late 500’s AD to 1700’s AD. The Pope is the Anti-Christ because the popes wore ‘a tiara having the inscription: Viceregent of the Son of God’.

There has never been such an inscription used on a papal tiara according to Catholic sources, and the only ones bringing this out are the Biblical websites having the Catholic Church as one of the horns mentioned in Revelations.

The SDA’s essentially see the Papacy as the Leopard in a series of beasts mentioned in Revelations…and with its diplomatic relations with the USA, the Catholic Church is now seen as the horn like a lamb.

So for Richard to answer with his interpretation of Revelations, that is why you are getting the cryptic answers he is giving you.

The SDA’s are intensely anti-Catholic…and I can sense it in his remarks.

He totally ignores any reference to early Church history and how the Mass evolved to Sunday, the 8th day.

Well what does that tell you about Richard? Not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes knowing genuine history about Christianity. Richard has been taken to the cleaners by the SDA sect.

 

[KathleenGee]

Oh, I forgot to mention…

You worship Christ on the 8th day? You have the mark of the beast.

You worship on Saturday? You have the mark of God and you are part of the remnant that will go to heaven.

 

[KathleenGee]

The SDA’s are so intensely anti-Catholic, they refuse to acknowledge that this inscription on papal tiaras was not used…the source is from a Catholic gnostic church.

Richard is about par.

All I can say is that heaven will be full of surprises.

For all of us who go to the Saturday vigil Mass, according to SDA judgement, we will see Richard and his churchmen in heaven.

For those who go to Sunday Mass? Doesn’t matter: 7 am, 8 am, 9 am, 11 am, noon, 1 pm, 5:30 Mass.

You go to these Mass times you are not saved.

Where is Christ the Redeemer??? I think their mindset put Our Lord in the tool shed.

 

[KathleenGee]

And this is why I said to him that worshipping on Saturday’s for salvation is a form of phariseeism.

 

[KathleenGee]

Well, now I see Richard is banned…he came up out of the sea…thinking of the beast myself now…when I was conversing with someone one to two years ago…and at first I didn’t want to get into it because of his attitude…meaning whatever I would say, he would ignore it.

But now I can understand even more why he has such, in my mind, an emotional response to our faith.

Another to keep in prayer.

 

[Nicea325]

Well, now I see Richard is banned…he came up out of the sea…thinking of the beast myself now…when I was conversing with someone one to two years ago…and at first I didn’t want to get into it because of his attitude…meaning whatever I would say, he would ignore it.

But now I can understand even more why he has such, in my mind, an emotional response to our faith.

Another to keep in prayer.

Most SDA I have dealt with are very anti-Catholic and to be frank, not very bright folks. Very ignorant…to say the least.

 

[John7]

We don’t base our religion on a day of the week. We just keep God’s commandments.

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers
of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that
defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured
persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (1Ti 1:9-10)

 

[Nicea325]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Kastner
We don’t base our religion on a day of the week. We just keep God’s commandments.

Really? Where is the commandment from God for Ellen G. White and et. al to found their own church? Let me know, so I too can found my own church.

 

[BrianH]

Really? Where is the commandment from God for Ellen G. White and et. al to found their own church? Let me know, so I too can found my own church.

Poor form to post comments when they will not reply.