"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Ex 20:8).

[mrasell]

I already knew all that and it was in no way a response to what I said. What was the point of posting any of that?

Do you know what a mediator is? Can you provide a definition like you might find in a dictionary? I promise, this has a point.

In the context of forgiveness of sin, according to Paul only Christ can mediate that as our High Priest:

For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 7:17 quoting from Psalm 110:4)

Melchizedek was a priest whom no ancestry was listed:
"Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever. " (Heb. 7:3)

Jesus’ priesthood rests on his eternal indestructable life:
“on the basis of the power of an indestructible life” (Heb 10:16)

This is the new order of priesthood established by God. One only needs Christ to be saved.

 

[mrasell]

And…
Why don’t you just answer the question?
Do you beleive the Pope is the anti-christ?

At the Council of Regensburg in 1240, Eberhard II, the Roman Catholic archbishop of Salzburg was the first to identity the little horn with the papacy.

 

[JustaServant]

At the Council of Regensburg in 1240, Eberhard II, the Roman Catholic archbishop of Salzburg was the first to identity the little horn with the papacy.

Answer the question

Do you beleive the Pope is the anti-christ?

 

[Farsight001]

In the context of forgiveness of sin, according to Paul only Christ can mediate that as our High Priest:

For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 7:17 quoting from Psalm 110:4)

Melchizedek was a priest whom no ancestry was listed:
"Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever. " (Heb. 7:3)

Jesus’ priesthood rests on his eternal indestructable life:
“on the basis of the power of an indestructible life” (Heb 10:16)

This is the new order of priesthood established by God. One only needs Christ to be saved.

sigh. why did I know you were going to do that? I asked for a definition, as one might find in a dictionary. I want the meaning of the word, not an example of one who is a mediator followed by a bunch of scripture quotes. That doesn’t help. I asked specifically for a definition for a reason.

Also, can you please respond to my previous post regarding Vicarius Filii Dei?

 

[JustaServant]

sigh. why did I know you were going to do that? I asked for a definition, as one might find in a dictionary. I want the meaning of the word, not an example of one who is a mediator followed by a bunch of scripture quotes. That doesn’t help. I asked specifically for a definition for a reason.

Also, can you please respond to my previous post regarding Vicarius Filii Dei?

He logged off…again.

 

[pablope]

In the context of forgiveness of sin, according to Paul only Christ can mediate that as our High Priest:

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Wrong, my friend.

Looks like you are not aware of Job 42…

7 It came about after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends, because you have not spoken of Me what is right as My servant Job has. 8 Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, and go to My servant Job, and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves, and My servant Job will pray for you. For I will [a]accept him so that I may not do with you according to your folly, because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.” 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD told them; and the LORD **accepted Job

With God communicating directly with Eliphaz, why did He tell him to go through Job to be forgiven?

And since God is eternal and does not change, did Jesus say or order something to the contrary in the NT for the forgiveness of sins? Or did Jesus fulfill and make it perfect in the NT?

And here is another one…In 2 Samuel 12…13And David said unto Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” And Nathan said unto David, “The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.”
14However, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also who is born unto thee shall surely die."

So why does David confess to Nathan? And Nathan pronounces the absolution of David?**

 

[Nicea325]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicea325
Really? Where is the commandment from God for Ellen G. White and et. al to found their own church? Let me know, so I too can found my own church.

Poor form to post comments when they will not reply.

Why? The person strongly believes they adere to God’s commandments,so answering should not be an issue.

 

[adrift]

Why? The person strongly believes they adere to God’s commandments,so answering should not be an issue.

I think he means he can’t answer since he has been banned

 

[PaulDupre]

And the Vigil Mass is…?

The Catholic liturgical day begins (as in Semitic cultures) at sundown. So the 5 PM vigil mass on calendar Saturday (which isn’t actually after sunset in the summer time) is liturgically on Sunday.

God bless you,
Paul

 

[PaulDupre]

Let’s get back to the thread…

For Catholics, keeping the Lord’s Day holy involves two things:

1. Participate in the holy sacrifice of the mass.
2. Rest from all servile work.

Point 1 is unambiguous. But point 2 is more personal and therefore (from a Catholic perspective) open to personal interpretation.

For me, servile work is the work I do all week to earn my wages. I design, create and maintain ERP software for manufacturing companies. So for me to log into work and do some programming would be a violation of the Lord’s Day. But to putter in the garden would not be servile work, because it is relaxing for me and very restful to my mind. While gardening may be “work” to a professional gardener, for me it is rest and relaxation.

My Sunday usually goes like this:

My grown son and I attend 9:30 mass together (we are both lectors). Then we go to my house and cook a big brunch for the extended family that come over every week. Cooking is also something that is relaxing and restful to me, because I rarely do it during the week. Then we sit down and study the bible, the catechism or the ECFs. We are currently in volume 2 of The Faith of the Early Fathers. We have already read the OT and the NT and the entire CCC during these Sunday sessions. We generally get into some very deep discussions during out study sessions. It is the best part of the week for me.

After that I do other things that are not work-related, like playing the ukulele or listening to music.

I would be interested to learn how others keep the Lord’s Day (or the sabbath).

Paul

 

[Pythons]

The concept of there being moral, ceremonial and civil law is I believe shared by the Catholic Church.

The Christian perpsective is that the ceremonial and civil laws ended at the cross, but not the 10 commandments and the eternal moral law.

The disagreement is over whether the Sabbath should be classified as moral or ceremonial.

Although there were 613 laws, the covenant was based on the 10 commandments according to Deuteronomy 4:13. Jesus and the Apostles affirmed the 10 commandments. And John speaks of the Ark of the Covenant in God’s temple in heaven (Rev. 11:19).

When James says, if you break one, you break them all, he refers to two of the 10 commandments (James 2:10-11).

Paul clearly saw a difference between the moral and ceremonial laws:
“Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.” 1 Cor. 7:19

#1.

The ‘law’ is the first five Books of the Bible - every single command…
…The Sabbath commandment has both a moral and ceremonial aspect.
…It is moral to give to God some time - and it is ceremonial as to the timing.

#2,

Ellen White was an Anthropomorphite who promulgated that God the Father possessed a rectum…
…As did Jesus prior to the Incarnation, same went for Lucifer and all the anglels.
…This combined with Ellen’s teaching that Anthropoid Apes fornicated with African females.
…Should be enough to cause anyone to seriously question her interpretation of the Scriptures.

#3,

The interpretation SDA’s have about the Gregorian Sabbath springs from the interpretation Ellen White had about the Sabbath…
…The concept was missed by Ellen White and she simply didn’t know what it meant.

 

[mrasell]

Answer the question

Do you beleive the Pope is the anti-christ?

Accoring to Daniel’s prophecy, one of the identifying marks of the little horn of Daniel 7 is that it seeks to change God’s “times and laws” Dan. 7:25.
Another mark is that it persecutes the saints.
It has a period of dominance lasting over 1000 years.
And it arises following the collapse of pagan Rome and lasts until the return of Christ.

Lion = Babylon
Bear = Medo-Persia
Leopard = Greece
Terrible Beast = Pagan Rome
10 horns and little horn = Europe and Papal Rome

This identification should not been seen as anti-catholic as even some Catholics held this interpretation, including an Archbishop and also a Jesuit who wrote under an assumed name. There were sincere Catholics who wanted to see a change to get rid of corruption in the church.

Today there are many of God’s true believers in the Catholic Church who sincerely live up to the light God has given them. What is at question is the system: does the Pope have the authority to change God’s laws, to persecute dissenters and to claim prerogatives which belong only to Christ.

 

[mrasell]

Wrong, my friend.

Looks like you are not aware of Job 42…

7 It came about after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends, because you have not spoken of Me what is right as My servant Job has. 8 Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, and go to My servant Job, and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves, and My servant Job will pray for you. For I will [a]accept him so that I may not do with you according to your folly, because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.” 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD told them; and the LORD **accepted Job

With God communicating directly with Eliphaz, why did He tell him to go through Job to be forgiven?

And since God is eternal and does not change, did Jesus say or order something to the contrary in the NT for the forgiveness of sins? Or did Jesus fulfill and make it perfect in the NT?

And here is another one…In 2 Samuel 12…13And David said unto Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” And Nathan said unto David, “The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.”
14However, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also who is born unto thee shall surely die."

So why does David confess to Nathan? And Nathan pronounces the absolution of David?**

In the Old Testament there were human priests, in fact sin could not be forgiven without the mediation of a priest under the levitical system. However, in the New Testament this is replaced by the order of Melchizedek. Whereas before there were sinful, mortal priests, who only had access to the direct presence of God once a year, now we have a sinless, immortal priest who is in the presence of God continually, who ever lives to intercede for us (Heb. 7:25).

 

[mrasell]

#1.

The ‘law’ is the first five Books of the Bible - every single command…
…The Sabbath commandment has both a moral and ceremonial aspect.
…It is moral to give to God some time - and it is ceremonial as to the timing.

Its accepted that all the other 9 commandments are eternal moral laws, therefore it follows the the 4th commandment is also the same.

The ceremonial laws deal with animal sacrifices, the priesthood and the temple.

The 4th commandment remains unchanged because it is in the Ark of the Covenant (Rev. 11:19) in God’s temple in heaven (Heb. 8:2), where Jesus ministers as our High Priest.

 

[ADZ]

God made “A DAY” then blessed IT and santified IT… Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it…

Then said remember it…Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (The Lords Day)

Then warned…Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Then reminded…Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.