Remember these children!

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IN ANY CONFLICT, the death of innocent noncombatants is deplorable, and lamented by all. It is the death of children, however, that troubles us the most, for children are seen to be innocent in a way adults are not.
From September 29, 2000, when the current Palestinian intifada erupted, through January 18, 2008, at least 1047 Palestinian and 123 Israeli youths under the age of 18 were killed in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories. Thousands more have been injured, many permanently.
Remember These Children lists each of these 1170 deaths. Arranged chronologically by date of death, each entry includes the child’s name, hometown, how the child was killed and, where available, the nature of the fatal injury. The documentation, though painful, conveys the personal reality of these terrible statistics. The waste of human life—of hope and future promise—is almost too great to contemplate.
Too many of these children died in the course of what should have been normal childhood pleasures—playing soccer, eating pizza, shopping for candy, or going to or from school. Others were at home, looking out their window, eating dinner or playing in their front yard.
Even infants and the unborn have not been spared. In two days in February 2002, three pregnant women were shot: two Palestinian women trying to pass the same Israeli checkpoint to reach the hospital in
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Really puts things in the proper perspective…

Thanks for posting!
 
First and foremost, this is a news forum, you reference an organizational website instead of a news article.

Second, I again squarely place the blame at the feet of those who continue to choose violence…the terrorists.

I have no doubt that many of the Palestinian children listed were killed by Israeli military action…but how many were intentionally targeted? Further, how many of the deaths were actually from inaccurate terrorist fire rather than Israeli?
 
First and foremost, this is a news forum, you reference an organizational website instead of a news article.

Second, I again squarely place the blame at the feet of those who continue to choose violence…the terrorists.

I have no doubt that many of the Palestinian children listed were killed by Israeli military action…but how many were intentionally targeted? Further, how many of the deaths were actually from inaccurate terrorist fire rather than Israeli?
How many were intentionally targeted? That is easy. NONE, unless they themselves were involved in terrorist activities. Hamas and Hezbolla have no moral problem recruiting children to do their dirty work. It is much easier to convience a 15 year old that he will go to heaven if he blows up himself and a bus full of Israelis than to do the same with a 30 year old man who has a job, a home, a wife and kids to do the same. By the way, that too is one of the reasons Hamas and Hezbolla do not really want the Palestinians to prosper, because if they prosper it will be that much harder to recruit suicide bombers of any age.
 
First and foremost, this is a news forum, you reference an organizational website instead of a news article.

Second, I again squarely place the blame at the feet of those who continue to choose violence…the terrorists.

I have no doubt that many of the Palestinian children listed were killed by Israeli military action…but how many were intentionally targeted? Further, how many of the deaths were actually from inaccurate terrorist fire rather than Israeli?
Code:
This is the result on the war on terror. It is newsworthy to realize that there are two sides to a story. Children are being terrorized and that is the saddest comment of our civilization.
 
Code:
This is the result on the war on terror. It is newsworthy to realize that there are two sides to a story. Children are being terrorized and that is the saddest comment of our civilization.
IMO the children are being terrorized by the uncivilization of Hamas and Hezbolla which most of the Palestinians support. We are civilized, it is the terrorist and their supporters who are uncivilized. This is indeed a sad comment on the state of Islam.
 
**This is the result on the war on terror. **It is newsworthy to realize that there are two sides to a story. Children are being terrorized and that is the saddest comment of our civilization.
This is between the Isreali’s and Palestinians. What does the War on Terror have to do with this?
 
This is between the Isreali’s and Palestinians. What does the War on Terror have to do with this?
Code:
What does the War on Terror constitute? Where is the War on Terror more important? Is there a scale on terror here?
 
How many were intentionally targeted? That is easy. NONE, unless they themselves were involved in terrorist activities. Hamas and Hezbolla have no moral problem recruiting children to do their dirty work. It is much easier to convience a 15 year old that he will go to heaven if he blows up himself and a bus full of Israelis than to do the same with a 30 year old man who has a job, a home, a wife and kids to do the same. By the way, that too is one of the reasons Hamas and Hezbolla do not really want the Palestinians to prosper, because if they prosper it will be that much harder to recruit suicide bombers of any age.
Code:
The Grief Counselor of Gaza

Why does a young Palestinian strap a bomb around his—or her—chest? Perhaps no one has studied this question more than Dr. Eyad Sarraj, founder of the Gaza Community Mental Health Program. His answer? For starters, says the doctor in our July-August Link, listen to how these young people describe themselves, not how Western news reporters describe them.
ameu.org/summary.asp

I recall that, while working in the early 1970s as a casualty officer at al-Shifa hospital, the largest hospital in Gaza, we received several murdered freedom fighters every day. Reacting to that resistance, Israeli forces arrested tens of thousands of Palestinians and subjected many to systematic forms of torture, all well documented by Israeli and Palestinian human rights organizations.
As a psychiatrist I could see how the effects of such torture went beyond the individual to affect his family and the wider community. The most common problem is the violence directed against women and children. The victim harbors a festering desire for revenge and unconsciously resorts to the tactics of his or her torturer.
ameu.org/page.asp?iid=281&aid=597&pg=1
 
My goodness, why are these Palestinians fighting back? Let us count the ways:

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
by: Jamil Fayez, ed.
April - May 2008
The Link - Volume 41, Issue 2
Page 1

► A’AQER, located 5.6 miles SW of Ramlah. Pop. 5,000. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlement of QIRYAT EQRON built on its 3,305 acres.
► A’LAAR, located 12.4 miles west of Bethlehem. Pop. 40. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlement of MATTA’ built on its 3,089 acres.
► ABDAH, located 31 miles south of Beersheba. Pop. 150. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlement of SEDE BOQER built on its 133 acres.
► ABEL AL QAMH, located 20.5 miles NNE of Safad. Pop. 330. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlement of Yuval built on its 829 acres.
► ABU AL FADL, located 7.5 miles NW of Ramlah. Pop. 510. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlements of NAHALAT YEHUDA and NETA’IM built on its 718 acres.
► ABU SHOUSHAH, located 5 miles south of Ramlah. Pop. 870. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlement of BET UZIEL built on its 832 acres.
► ABU SHOUSHAH, located 3 miles NNW of Tiberius. Pop. 1,240. Obliterated in 1948. Its 2,250 acres were added to the Jewish kibbutz GINNOSAR. ► ABU SHOUSHAH, located 15.5 miles SE of Haifa. Pop. 720. Obliterated in 1948. Its 2,240 acres were added to the Jewish settlement of MISHMAR HA’EMEQ.
ameu.org/page.asp?iid=280&aid=595&pg=1
 
We must remember the children in all of this…and the fault lies sqarely with the Israelis and the Palestinians. But it is the Israelis who have the upper hand!

The world must stop standing idle while the people of Gaza are treated with such cruelty

By Jimmy Carter

Israeli bombs and missiles periodically strike the area, causing high casualties among both militants and innocent women and children. Prior to the highly publicized killing of a woman and her four children last week, this pattern had been illustrated by a report from B’Tselem, the leading Israeli human rights organization, which stated that 106 Palestinians were killed between February 27 and March 3. **Fifty-four of them were civilians, and 25 were under 18 years of age. **
ameu.org/page.asp?iid=281&aid=598&pg=1
 
Thanks for the very informative post Shoshana!

It really gives you a perspective on the suffering that children suffer in the violence, especially from a well armed military force.

We Americans tend to justify these things because we’re fed pro-war propaganda by the media and administration.

Aren’t we suppose to be pro-life?

Jim
 
My goodness, why are these Palestinians fighting back? Let us count the ways:

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
by: Jamil Fayez, ed.
April - May 2008
The Link - Volume 41, Issue 2
Page 1

► A’AQER, located 5.6 miles SW of Ramlah. Pop. 5,000. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlement of QIRYAT EQRON built on its 3,305 acres.
► A’LAAR, located 12.4 miles west of Bethlehem. Pop. 40. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlement of MATTA’ built on its 3,089 acres.
► ABDAH, located 31 miles south of Beersheba. Pop. 150. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlement of SEDE BOQER built on its 133 acres.
► ABEL AL QAMH, located 20.5 miles NNE of Safad. Pop. 330. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlement of Yuval built on its 829 acres.
► ABU AL FADL, located 7.5 miles NW of Ramlah. Pop. 510. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlements of NAHALAT YEHUDA and NETA’IM built on its 718 acres.
► ABU SHOUSHAH, located 5 miles south of Ramlah. Pop. 870. Obliterated in 1948. Jewish settlement of BET UZIEL built on its 832 acres.
► ABU SHOUSHAH, located 3 miles NNW of Tiberius. Pop. 1,240. Obliterated in 1948. Its 2,250 acres were added to the Jewish kibbutz GINNOSAR. ► ABU SHOUSHAH, located 15.5 miles SE of Haifa. Pop. 720. Obliterated in 1948. Its 2,240 acres were added to the Jewish settlement of MISHMAR HA’EMEQ.
ameu.org/page.asp?iid=280&aid=595&pg=1
1948 was 60 years ago, using this standard we would still be killing citizens of the Axis countries. How many of the citizens of these towns were murdered?
 
1948 was 60 years ago, using this standard we would still be killing citizens of the Axis countries. How many of the citizens of these towns were murdered?
Citizens of the Axis countries didn’t lose their homes and rights in the process. They also knew that they were defeated nations, from a war that their former governments started. Also, through such policies as the Marshal Plan, they were able to build their standard of living up, and be free. If this did not happen, they would’ve fought back.

The Palestinians never had anything close happen to them. They had their homes and businesses taken away from them.

Perhaps you’'ll have more compassion, if you understand that not all were Muslim Palestinians, many were Christians. Learn what happened to them, and it may give you a different perspective on who actually suffered as a result of the state of Israel being established as it did.

Jim
 
… By Jimmy Carter …
You just lost me … if you go 'round quoting Jimmy Carter, ain’t no one going to listen to you …

By your responses it seems you really didn’t mean what your original post said.
 
Shoshana:

I understand your compassion for Palestinian victims of violence. I do.

But it must be admitted there have been many, many attacks on Israeli civilians by Palestinians. Just plain murders. I could start listing them here, but it would take pages to do it. But suffice it to say for now that there is a great deal of difference between some 17 year old Palestinian youth involved in a street riot and getting shot, and Palestinian gunmen invading an indoor relgious event of Israeli young people, aged 12 and up, who weren’t bothering anybody, and deliberately killing 12 of them and severely wounding 180. Hamas bragged about that one.

I don’t blame Palestinians generally for things like that. Palestinians and Israelis can live in peace, and often do. But for Hamas and Fatah or similar organizations, they probably would.
Jordan, after all, is mostly composed of Palestinians, and it lives in peace with Israel.

But Hamas and Fatah and their subgroups are criminal gangs, really, in the pay of foreign extremists. Even Egypt has Gaza walled off, for its own protection. Jordan forcibly ejected Fatah from its soil. The people of Gaza and the West Bank don’t actually have anything to say about how or by whom they’re governed, any more than do the residents of a neighborhood dominated by MS-13. Israelis, on the other hand, are extremely intolerant of the murder of Israelis; much more than we are of the murder of Americans, though we didn’t take 911 well, and that’s for sure. Israelis have learned to be that way, and not just because of the Holocaust.
 
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