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some one please remind me of why are babies baptized?
because when i read the bible, Yes it says that the babies were bless by Jesus, but it doesn’t say that he baptized those babies rite?
 
Remember that you may also consult the Catechism which addresses many of these ‘why’ questions:
The Baptism of infants
CCC 1250
Born with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin, children also have need of the new birth in Baptism to be freed from the power of darkness and brought into the realm of the freedom of the children of God, to which all men are called. The sheer gratuitousness of the grace of salvation is particularly manifest in infant Baptism. The Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after birth.
CCC 1251
Christian parents will recognize that this practice also accords with their role as nurturers of the life that God has entrusted to them.
CCC 1252
The practice of infant Baptism is an immemorial tradition of the Church. There is explicit testimony to this practice from the second century on, and it is quite possible that, from the beginning of the apostolic preaching, when whole “households” received baptism, infants may also have been baptized.
Also, remember that the Sacrament of Confirmation is the sacrament in which a person of the age of reason completes and affirms the promises made at their Baptism:
CCC 1285
Baptism, the Eucharist, and the sacrament of Confirmation together constitute the “sacraments of Christian initiation,” whose unity must be safeguarded. It must be explained to the faithful that the reception of the sacrament of Confirmation is necessary for the completion of baptismal grace. For “by the sacrament of Confirmation, [the baptized] are more perfectly bound to the Church and are enriched with a special strength of the Holy Spirit. Hence they are, as true witnesses of Christ, more strictly obliged to spread and defend the faith by word and deed.”
CCC 1319
A candidate for Confirmation who has attained the age of reason must profess the faith, be in the state of grace, have the intention of receiving the sacrament, and be prepared to assume the role of disciple and witness to Christ, both within the ecclesial community and in temporal affairs.
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some one please remind me of why are babies baptized?
because when i read the bible, Yes it says that the babies were bless by Jesus, but it doesn’t say that he baptized those babies rite?
Actually the NT does note that entire families were baptized… this would include any infants and young children…
 
some one please remind me of why are babies baptized?
because when i read the bible, Yes it says that the babies were bless by Jesus, but it doesn’t say that he baptized those babies rite?
Can someone please remind me why other faith’s DON’T baptize their babies (most faiths, but not all)?

Its been the tradition of the Church since the 1st century to have babies baptized (some, but not all). As already mentioned, whole households were baptized in Scripture. Regarding Jesus not baptizing babies, I don’t recall Jesus baptizing anyone. I do recall Jesus saying (paraphrasing), “Let the children come to Me, for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these”. If baptism initiates us into the Kingdom, one could assume that babies absolutely should be baptized.
 
And in scripture, it compares baptism to the new circumcision. Circumcision is given in the Jewish Tradition to infants.

And if I could be so bold, you should read the bible with Catholics or a Catechism to help you since my guess is you are talking with and/or reading scripture with “bible Christians” who interpret scripture in a way not found in the first 15 centuries of christianity.
 
My pastor (specialty Church History) once told a group of us that because Christians were in constant danger of being killed that the church members begged the church to have their children baptized because if they were killed they’d all be in heaven together and not separated because the child was not baptized.
 
My pastor (specialty Church History) once told a group of us that because Christians were in constant danger of being killed that the church members begged the church to have their children baptized because if they were killed they’d all be in heaven together and not separated because the child was not baptized.
And I would ask your where that is documented.

From Catholic Answers Library Early Teachings on Infant Baptism You can read the link and see several Early Church Fathers quoted, as well as the scripture below
Baptism is the Christian equivalent of circumcision, or “the circumcision of Christ”: “In him you were also circumcised with . . . the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead” (Col. 2:11–12). Thus, like circumcision, baptism can be given to children as well as adults. The difference is that circumcision was powerless to save (Gal. 5:6, 6:15), but “**aptism . . . now saves you” (1 Pet. 3:21).

The first explicit** evidence of children of believing households being baptized comes from the early Church—where infant baptism was uniformly
upheld and regarded as apostolic. In fact, the only reported controversy on the subject was a third-century debate whether or not to delay baptism until the eighth day after birth, like its Old Testament equivalent, circumcision! (See quotation from Cyprian, below; compare Leviticus 12:2–3.)
We can see in scripture that baptism is compared to circumcision. Circumcision is done on infants on the eighth day. So why would the early followers have to beg for something that was already being done?
 
Baptism of infants is the norm in Christianity. Baptism of adults only is a man-made tradition that started in the 15th century, therefore it cannot be true.

We are born with original sin. We did not make a conscious decision to have it. Therefore a conscious decision is not required to have sanctifying grace restored. Those who reject infant baptism do not have the same doctrine on original sin that has been part of normal Christianity for 2000 years.

Most of the arguments against the principle of sacramentalism are Gnostic at the root.
 
And I would ask your where that is documented.

From Catholic Answers Library Early Teachings on Infant Baptism You can read the link and see several Early Church Fathers quoted, as well as the scripture below

We can see in scripture that baptism is compared to circumcision. Circumcision is done on infants on the eighth day. So why would the early followers have to beg for something that was already being done?
Anecdotal it might be this is what he told me.-i don’t think he was lying! I’m just relating what he told us.
 
Lying? Probably not. Wrong? Most definitely.
Why do you feel it was definitely wrong? The Church did baptize infants in the 1st century, although it wasn’t as common as it is today.

But why is JuliaMajor’s pastor wrong?
 
Why do you feel it was definitely wrong? The Church did baptize infants in the 1st century, although it wasn’t as common as it is today.

But why is JuliaMajor’s pastor wrong?
Not wrong about baptizing infants but wrong as to the reason why. It appeared as if the reason why was pressure from parents rather than proper apostolic teaching.
 
Not wrong about baptizing infants but wrong as to the reason why. It appeared as if the reason why was pressure from parents rather than proper apostolic teaching.
I certainly don’t understand your answer, then.

Are you saying that babies shouldn’t have been baptized? That this was not apostolic teaching? If so, where do you get this from?
 
“And many, both men and women, who have been Christ’s disciples from childhood, remain pure and at the age of sixty or seventy years…”
*Justin Martyr, First Apology, 15:6 (A.D. 110-165). *
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“And when a child has been born to one of them, they give thanks to God [baptism]; and if moreover it happen to die in childhood, they give thanks to God the more, as for one who as passed through the world without sins.”
Aristides, Apology, 15 (A.D. 140).

“Polycarp declared, 'Eighty and six years have I served Him, and He never did me injury: how then can I blaspheme my King and Saviour?”
Polycarp, Martyrdom of Polycarp, 9 (A.D. 156).

“For He came to save all through means of Himself–all, I say, who through Him are born again to God–infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men.”
Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 2,22:4 (A.D. 180).

“I, therefore, brethren, who have lived sixty-five years in the Lord.”
Polycrates, Fragment in Eusebius’ Church History, V:24:7 (A.D. 190).

“And they shall baptise the little children first. And if they can answer for themselves, let them answer. But if they cannot, let their parents answer or someone from their family.”
Hippolytus of Rome, Apostolic Tradition, 21 (c. A.D. 215).

"Therefore children are also baptized."
Origen, Homily on Luke, XIV (A.D. 233).

“For this reason, moreover, the Church received from the apostles the tradition of baptizing infants too.”
Origen, Homily on Romans, V:9 (A.D. 244).

“Baptism is given for the remission of sins; and according to the usage of the Church, Baptism is given even to infants. And indeed if there were nothing in infants which required a remission of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of baptism would seem superfluous.”
Origen, Homily on Leviticus, 8:3 (post A.D. 244).
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"But in respect of the case of the infants, which you say ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, and that the law of ancient circumcision should be regarded, so that you think one who is just born should not be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day…And therefore, dearest brother, this was our opinion in council, that by us no one ought to be hindered from baptism…we think is to be even more observed in respect of infants and newly-born persons…"
*Cyprian, To Fidus, Epistle 58(64):2, 6 (A.D. 251). *

scripturecatholic.com/baptism.html#tradition-II
 
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