Remnants of Original Sin after baptism . .

[Neithan]

I went to confession over the weekend and one of the things the priest told me is that Original Sin can sometimes express itself as a *rancour *- he said it with a thick french accent - against God. He said this lingers in even the holiest people.

I forgot to ask him, but doesn’t baptism remove original sin? Why would this *rancour *remain?

 

[roads152]

We are not born with original sin. We are, rather, born with STAINS of original sin. Those stains are all removed the moment we are baptized, when we are reborn in water and the Holy Spirit.
We are, however, very prone to commit sin even after baptism because of our weak human nature. This the battle of our lifetime that we must fight and win if we are to enjoy the Beatific Vision in the life hereafter.
The saints fought and won this battle. The “wounds” they incurred, if any, in the fight were fully healed.
The poor souls in purgatory also fought and won the battle but were left with non-fatal wounds that need healing.
We, who are still living, are in the midst of the battle ground and are faced with the possibilities of fighting or passively waiting for the enemy to enslave us. The priest in the confessional, most probably, was trying to make you understand this reality and encourages you to fight and fight valiantly on to victory.

 

[curlycool89]

We are, however, very prone to commit sin even after baptism because of our weak human nature.

The theological term is concupiscence. Over time, the term largely become synonymous with sexual sin (like lust), but it holds for all inclinations to sin.

 

[MarkThompson]

We are not born with original sin. We are, rather, born with STAINS of original sin.

This is not accurate. As stated in Session V of the Council of Trent:
If anyone asserts that . . . [Adam] having been defiled by the sin of disobedience has transfused only death “and the punishments of the body into the whole human race, but not sin also, which is the death of the soul,” let him be anathema, since he contradicts the Apostle who says: “By one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned”.

 

[roads152]

curlycool89, thank you for supplying the theological term.

 

[fall_fox]

This is not accurate. As stated in Session V of the Council of Trent:
If anyone asserts that . . . [Adam] having been defiled by the sin of disobedience has transfused only death “and the punishments of the body into the whole human race, but not sin also, which is the death of the soul,” let him be anathema, since he contradicts the Apostle who says: “By one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned”.

fall fox

As with most Catholics my age, 67, we were discouraged in reading the bible ourselves for fear of what we would make of it on our own. For the last ten years I have been to numerous Bible Study groups. One of them that I go to now usually runs 2 to 3 hrs. Father comes in for the last 1 to 2 hrs. He has introduced us to incites into the Bible and one of them deals with Genesis, and why it was written.
We are told that Genesis was written during the Babylon Captivity, and was written in response to the pagan creation story of a Female god named Tiamat, whom her sons killed.
Genesis then was a teaching story for the people of Israel that stressed that one Deity, God is the Creator of everything. The “story” of Adam (earthling) is just that, a story. I won’t go into the symbolism of the story here. My point then what are we to do about " Original Sin " since the garden and the characters in it are not real, just a story. When asked about original sin we are told that it is the Human Condition. I’m still trying to work through all this.
It seems this is on a higher level of Theology, but recently Father had a homily on Original Sin and he stuck to the standard line of Adam and Eve.
Mark, what have you heard of this?

 

[leonie]

fall fox

As with most Catholics my age, 67, we were discouraged in reading the bible ourselves for fear of what we would make of it on our own. For the last ten years I have been to numerous Bible Study groups. One of them that I go to now usually runs 2 to 3 hrs. Father comes in for the last 1 to 2 hrs. He has introduced us to incites into the Bible and one of them deals with Genesis, and why it was written.
We are told that Genesis was written during the Babylon Captivity, and was written in response to the pagan creation story of a Female god named Tiamat, whom her sons killed.
Genesis then was a teaching story for the people of Israel that stressed that one Deity, God is the Creator of everything. The “story” of Adam (earthling) is just that, a story. I won’t go into the symbolism of the story here. My point then what are we to do about " Original Sin " since the garden and the characters in it are not real, just a story. When asked about original sin we are told that it is the Human Condition. I’m still trying to work through all this.
It seems this is on a higher level of Theology, but recently Father had a homily on Original Sin and he stuck to the standard line of Adam and Eve.
Mark, what have you heard of this?

egads!!

agapebiblestudy.com/documents/What%20Catholics%20believe%20about%20Creation.htm

WHAT CATHOLICS MUST BELIEVE ABOUT CREATION

Magisterium of the Catholic Church has defined what Catholics must believe about the history of creation:
1.The creation by God of all things at the beginning of time
2. The special creation by God of man
3.Formation of woman from man
4.Unity of the human race
5.The original happiness of our first parents in a state of justice
6.The divine command laid upon man by God to prove obedience
7.Transgression of that command at the instigation of the devil in the form of a serpent
8.The fall of our original parents from their primitive state of innocence.
9.The promise of a future redeemer

Humanae Generis, Pope Pius XII [also see: Dr. S. Hahn: Genesis 1-22: The Covenant as a Family Affair; Pope Pius X: Pascendi Dominici Gregis, Sept. 8, 1907].

The Catholic Church rejects the theory that the first chapters of Genesis are pure myth. For what the catechism teaches about creation see the Catechism of the Catholic Church #s 198, 279-327.

Michal Hunt copyright August 2005