Removal of missalettes from Church

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Why do you need “documentation”? It should just be common sense - the Holy Word of God is not the newspaper, or a magazine, or a paperback novel. We process with the Lectionary at Mass and the priest kisses it and makes the Sign of the Cross over it when he is reading from it. It seems like a kind of cognitive dissonance to then just toss it in with the banana peels when the month is over. It doesn’t make any sense to kiss it and reverence it one day, and then treat it like trash the next.
I was wondering the same thing. I have never kissed a missalette. They are not blessed or consecrated items as is the Lectionary. I have read a lot of scripture on my computer. When I burn out a monitor, I just trash it.
 
I was wondering the same thing. I have never kissed a missalette. They are not blessed or consecrated items as is the Lectionary. I have read a lot of scripture on my computer. When I burn out a monitor, I just trash it.
So, the Scriptures are just nothing, unless someone has sprinkled holy water on them? :confused:
 
So, the Scriptures are just nothing, unless someone has sprinkled holy water on them? :confused:
Did I say that or even remotely imply that? Of course not. Yet it is the Scripture that is sacred, not the paper it is printed on. Even the Holy Eucharist is nothing but bread unless it is consecrated.
 
Jan 15, '09, 12:57 pm
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Re: How do I dispose of a weekday missal?

They can be disposed of in the same way as you would dispose of any unwanted books; but, if the missals are still useful, I recommend first asking around to see if any Catholics you know could use them.

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#1 Jan 15, '09, 11:24 am
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How do I dispose of a weekday missal?

I have two weekday missals that I no longer need. I replaced them with updated missals. What do I need to do to dispose of the unneeded missals?

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Did I say that or even remotely imply that? Of course not. Yet it is the Scripture that is sacred, not the paper it is printed on. Even the Holy Eucharist is nothing but bread unless it is consecrated.
Following on the theme, it is more important that the scripture is printed on our heart than the paper that contains the words.
As much as I respect and honor St. Francis, I had difficulty with his destruction of books. Yes, I know that books prior to the invention of the printing press were rare, expensive, and a sign of worldliness. That was why it was such a big deal when St. Patrick asked his father for a Bible.
I cringed when I saw a decorating show in which books were cut in half. It was not that information contained in the books was sacred that made me wince, but simply because they were books and books contain knowledge. Yes, I am one of those people who uses bookmarks because dogearing even the latest paperbook novel I may be reading is a desecration. They only get tossed when they are completely falling apart.
As I prepare to move next month, one of my biggest tasks is weaning my books, choosing what I will take with me, what I will pass on, and what is worn to the point that they need to be trashed. True Devotion is one of those books that needed to be tossed. I have kept the pages of The Little Crown of the Blessed Virgin Mary, stapled them together and placed this devotion in the front of my Christian Prayer to be recited after Lauds. The back page, with the Prayer of Zechariah and the Canticle of Mary, from a copy of Magnificat are glued to the back cover for ease of use.
Missalettes can be recycled. They do not need to be burned.
 
We haven’t used Missalettes for years in our parish, except for a few that are kept in the back of the church for those who really need or want them. Very few even use those. It’s not even an issue in our parish. Our hymn books have all the prayers and responses, but to tell the truth, people only use those for the hymns and the responsorial psalm. The scripture readings for the following week are posted in the bulletin for those who prepare for Mass by reading them.

In all honesty, for a parish of our large size, they would be a tremendous waste of money. I would rather see that money used to supply our food pantry or to help people out with their utility bills, etc., esp. in our economically hard-hit area of the country.
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Words on a page are not “visuals” though - my original point was that reading along is not a “visual” experience - it is a kind of auditory experience, because of the fact that the letters on the page translate themselves into sounds in your head.
No, not really for me. The words themselves don’t become an auditory line. I have that inner voice only when writing, not reading.

I can, if I try, get it when reading… but it isn’t my “normal” state of reading. And reading aloud, I learn and retain VERY little. but if I hear and see it together, I get a much stronger retention.

About 1 in 100 students I’ve worked with have the same “no inner voice” issue.
 
DebChris, I got such a chuckle out of your post – I don’t buy paper back books because they don’t feel like books to me. When I finish a hardback book it looks brand new as though not a page has been turned.:rolleyes:

I also have cut the back covers from one of my Magnificat’s and stuck (I didn’t paste them) them into my book of Christian Prayer.:o

I see no problem with just tossing books that have run their life; don’t think I would toss an old Bible though. My favorite Bible (because it is from 1956 and has no inclusive language) is water damaged but I will not get rid of it.:nope: As a matter of fact, I don’t know exactly how I would get rid of it if I decided to do so.🤷

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all i can say is that if the priest ask us not to read and just hear, how being dissobedient to his request is going to bless us in the Church? he is not being irreverent to God on this matter, therefore i dont see why all the anger about it. people became accostumed to do what they want and nobody is going to tell them what to do, not even the priest. perhaps that is the very reason we are in so much confusion. why not give the priest support and ears, the Lord says that faith comes from hearing and not reading. have we lost trust in the priest and the Church that we must read to make sure the priest is reading right? that is what protestants do. have we lost our identity too?

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wisdomseeker, I have never in all my years in the Church had a Priest tell the congregation to put aside their missal and listen to the Epistle and/or Gospel instead of reading along.

Before Vatican II, everyone used a Missal to follow along with the Mass, as I have said before. This was considered the norm because the Mass was in Latin.

People on this thread who want to use their Missal to follow the Mass are not being angry about it, or disobedient. :gopray2:

And please do not use that old crutch – some Catholics will do as they please regardless of what they are told to do. When a Catholic sees something done amiss they must speak up and try to correct the situation, if indeed, what they saw is wrong.

And, I see no problem with using my Missal to follow the readings, until such time as the lay readers and the Priest start to use megaphones so those in the pews can hear and understand what is being said.🤷
 
wisdomseeker, I have never in all my years in the Church had a Priest tell the congregation to put aside their missal and listen to the Epistle and/or Gospel instead of reading along.

Before Vatican II, everyone used a Missal to follow along with the Mass, as I have said before. This was considered the norm because the Mass was in Latin.

People on this thread who want to use their Missal to follow the Mass are not being angry about it, or disobedient. :gopray2:

And please do not use that old crutch – some Catholics will do as they please regardless of what they are told to do. When a Catholic sees something done amiss they must speak up and try to correct the situation, if indeed, what they saw is wrong.

And, I see no problem with using my Missal to follow the readings, until such time as the lay readers and the Priest start to use megaphones so those in the pews can hear and understand what is being said.🤷
I have had priests suggest that it is better that the congregation simply listen rather than read along. As Catholics, we are not called to set aside reason. Obedience, in the Benedictine sense means “to listen.” We are bound by conscience. In this case, if it means I better understand God’s Word by seeing it in print while simultaneously listening, than I will bring my own missal that I might hear the Word of God. What is the priest going to do, ask me to leave Mass? Will he not understand if I explain, as has been done throughout this thread, why I read along.

I am a lay reader. I know how to project my voice as a result of military training. I was a drill sergeant in the Army Reserves. I had to learn to modulate my voice when the parish installed a new sound system. I had people popping out of their seats.
What feels unnatural to many new lay readers is how slowly they need to read in order for the congregation to hear what is said.

This time honored tradition of following the words in the missal helps with the flow during the Responsorial Psalm. Others have mentioned newcomers who may not know the prayers of the Mass. Anybody can lose his/her place regardless of how well they are memorized. How many times do we grab the hymnal, regardless of how well we know the hymn being sung?
 
what priest has a Charlton Heston voice and that can carry throughout the church so as to be easily understood by everyone there?

Most of mine have had accents that required us to follow along in order to keep pace with him and when they go impromptu too often I find another parish.
 
DurIng the Consecration, I heard a priest tell all to stop looking at their books and look at JESUS.👍
 
DurIng the Consecration, I heard a priest tell all to stop looking at their books and look at JESUS.👍
He was inserting personal comments into the Consecration? And this is good? Or have I misunderstood - maybe he told them at some other time not to look at their books during the Consecration?🤷
 
Wow! We did not know how much more had changed since we stopped going to the Novus Ordo! For centuries most of the Mass was nearly silent. Pope Saint Pius X said we should follow the Mass not close our books. I, too, read the Proper of the Mass ahead of time; yet I find that I do understand it better when the priest reads it during the Mass. I understand it better, remember it better, and remember to discuss it with my family more often. This is a tiny proof of the truth that Faith comes through hearing, although the phrase “Faith comes through hearing” doesn’t say “don’t read along”! Even those of us who are not hearing impaired can’t always hear what’s read, at least well; so we can depend on our own Missal! It is a great consolation to have certitude, too.

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Wow! We did not know how much more had changed since we stopped going to the Novus Ordo! For centuries most of the Mass was nearly silent. Pope Saint Pius X said we should follow the Mass not close our books. I, too, read the Proper of the Mass ahead of time; yet I find that I do understand it better when the priest reads it during the Mass. I understand it better, remember it better, and remember to discuss it with my family more often. This is a tiny proof of the truth that Faith comes through hearing, although the phrase “Faith comes through hearing” doesn’t say “don’t read along”! Even those of us who are not hearing impaired can’t always hear what’s read, at least well; so we can depend on our own Missal! It is a great consolation to have certitude, too.

Mary
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By the way, I remember that quote from Pope St Pius, but I can’t find it (been looking for it, especially in light of this thread). Can you give an internet link to it, or at least recall the title of the source? Thanks.
 
Why not just have total silence while everyone just reads the Missal together? 🤷

Do we say Mass, or do we read it? If someone is talking to me, it seems rude to be reading a book at the same time, even if it’s a book of etiquette, with nice things in it to say to the person in reply.

Would you come to dinner and read out, Hi - Mom - I - love - you - thanks - for - the - wonderful - dinner (reading off of a page, and then reading along as she replies, “You’re so welcome, honey; I love you, too!”), or wouldn’t you rather say it from your heart, while looking her in the eye, and listening to her reply with your eyes on her face, and giving her a smile?

I’m not knocking the Missal - it’s a great resource to have, and I read it all the time outside of the Mass, in order to memorize the prayers and review the readings ahead of time, in order to know them well enough that, if the reader has a difficult accent, or even if he is just having a bad day, I can still understand him, because I know ahead of time what he is saying. But, having done that, I can now give him the courtesy of attentive, interested eye-contact.

Even with the Latin Mass, I’d rather read through the Missal ahead of time, and then simply experience the Mass, without spending the whole hour trying to find my place on the page.
 
Why not just have total silence while everyone just reads the Missal together? 🤷

Do we say Mass, or do we read it? If someone is talking to me, it seems rude to be reading a book at the same time, even if it’s a book of etiquette, with nice things in it to say to the person in reply.

Would you come to dinner and read out, Hi - Mom - I - love - you - thanks - for - the - wonderful - dinner (reading off of a page, and then reading along as she replies, “You’re so welcome, honey; I love you, too!”), or wouldn’t you rather say it from your heart, while looking her in the eye, and listening to her reply with your eyes on her face, and giving her a smile?

I’m not knocking the Missal - it’s a great resource to have, and I read it all the time outside of the Mass, in order to memorize the prayers and review the readings ahead of time, in order to know them well enough that, if the reader has a difficult accent, or even if he is just having a bad day, I can still understand him, because I know ahead of time what he is saying. But, having done that, I can now give him the courtesy of attentive, interested eye-contact.

Even with the Latin Mass, I’d rather read through the Missal ahead of time, and then simply experience the Mass, without spending the whole hour trying to find my place on the page.
 
Why not just have total silence while everyone just reads the Missal together? 🤷

Do we say Mass, or do we read it? If someone is talking to me, it seems rude to be reading a book at the same time, even if it’s a book of etiquette, with nice things in it to say to the person in reply.

Would you come to dinner and read out, Hi - Mom - I - love - you - thanks - for - the - wonderful - dinner (reading off of a page, and then reading along as she replies, “You’re so welcome, honey; I love you, too!”), or wouldn’t you rather say it from your heart, while looking her in the eye, and listening to her reply with your eyes on her face, and giving her a smile?

I’m not knocking the Missal - it’s a great resource to have, and I read it all the time outside of the Mass, in order to memorize the prayers and review the readings ahead of time, in order to know them well enough that, if the reader has a difficult accent, or even if he is just having a bad day, I can still understand him, because I know ahead of time what he is saying. But, having done that, I can now give him the courtesy of attentive, interested eye-contact.

Even with the Latin Mass, I’d rather read through the Missal ahead of time, and then simply experience the Mass, without spending the whole hour trying to find my place on the page.
I’m honestly blown away by this. If anything, following along as the readings are being read is giving more attention to them, not less. When I’m reading aloud at a group bible study, I’m not worrying about who is looking at me and listening, and who is looking down at their bible, following along. I’m thinking about the scripture being read, and I’m happy to be doing it together with others, no matter where they are looking. Participating in the liturgy doesn’t mean that we make each other feel good by giving them our attention. It means that we enter into the prayers, giving the prayers and readings our attention, as we focus on God as a praying community.

It’s great that you look ahead at the readings and are able to experience the mass without reading along. But why criticize those who, for whatever reason, choose to read along as the Word of God is being proclaimed? It seems to me that by being interested enough to look them up and read them, they have already set themselves apart from those who show up because of their obligation, daydream (or text - yes, we have a problem with that at our church) through the mass, then run out the door before the final prayer.

Now, if we’re reading through the homily, that’s another matter. But these are READINGS, so maybe we should be free to READ them.

And as a new Catholic, how do you think it would have made me feel to hear that I was being rude by trying to follow along in the missal so that I could learn the prayers of the mass? I tried to figure out the order at home, but the missal pages jump around so much and there are so many alternatives, I never could have gotten it straight without following along during mass. This enabled me to learn what was going on much faster so that I could be an active participant, as well as making me feel comfortable with all the changes in posture. We must remember that the liturgy, while familiar to us, can feel foreign and intimidating to those visiting or coming into the Church. Do we really want to discourage them?
 
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