Remove The Border?

[Bullfighter]

Remove the Border?

A teacher asked one of his students to go up to the chalk board and draw a square. The student walked up to the board, picked up the chalk and drew a square.

Then the teacher said, “Next to the square, draw a circle.” The student drew the circle.

Then the teacher said, “Next to the circle, draw a triangle.” The student drew the triangle.

"Now," the teacher said, “remove the border from the triangle.” The student thought for a moment then erased the triangle.

"Next, remove the border from the circle." The student erased the circle.

**“And now,” the teacher said, “remove the border from the square.” The student erased the square. **

The teacher then asked the student, "What did you learn from this?"

The student replied, "Without a border, there is nothing."

"Exactly!" the teacher said "You have just learned more than most Americans will ever appreciate.

 

[06convert]

That must be true. Because I don’t get it. …

 

[Faustina2001]

I think it maybe means like without borders there is nothing like without canadian border, mexican border,Italian border etc… we are all one country there would be no america no mexico no canada, and also without borders in churches or guidelines we have noe church. That’s what i get from it.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

It means there is no substance*** in their borders***.

 

[FK04US]

What’s left after we erase the borders? Nothing??? Are you sure?

What is left is PEOPLE! God created people, humans created borders, many times after wars. I don’t imagine Heaven with borders.

 

[Bullfighter]

What’s left after we erase the borders? Nothing??? Are you sure?

What is left is PEOPLE! God created people, humans created borders, many times after wars. I don’t imagine Heaven with borders.

Really? You maybe own a home? I’ll bet you know where your property lines are. BORDERS!

God never said, don’t create borders, governments, societies, countries. If I remember correctly, the bible is loaded with borders.

If I remember correctly, God did not treat every group the same as he favored the isrealites in many battles.

And heaven does have a border. It keep the devil out. What about those “pearly gates”?

 

[mlchance]

What is left is PEOPLE! God created people, humans created borders, many times after wars. I don’t imagine Heaven with borders.

Except for that one between Heaven and Hell, and then the other between Heaven and Purgatory. I hear that no one is allowed across the first, and there’re pretty stringent standards for immigrating across the latter.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Bullfighter]

I want you to try and imagine what your life would be like living in buildings and homes without doors and locks.

My father used to tell that a lock keeps an honest man honest.

A lock will not keep out evil as I live in a neighborhood where that is proved over and over again. I’ve had the doors to my shed ripped off the hinges, tools stolen, and a ladder used so someone could climb up to a birdhouse that was atop a 10 foot post and smash it to pieces and killing the baby’s inside. A birdhouse I had just spent months restoring.

I think of that birdhouse as the United States and how people are allowing these criminals to act as they do because no one is stopping them.

It wasn’t always like that. My mother used to tell me how in the 30s, 40s, and 50s they didn’t lock the doors of the house. They used to sleep on the lawn all night without fear. Imagine trying to do that today.

My uncle moved to a neighborhood in 1960 which has over the years become one of the best places to live in America and they don’t lock their doors. He would laugh and say,“This isn’t your neighborhood!” It has become a mostly white, upper middle class city where the land is worth more than the homes on the land.

But just a few miles away is another city that is gang infested and people go out of their way to avoid. That is the future America. And those who help the illegal immigrant fuel the problem as those gang members are the children of the people you consider “hard working, decent, law abiding, and will be a asset to the United States.”

The ostrich lives in its own world, with its head buried in the earth to drown out the problems of society. “If I can’t see it, it’s not really happening.”

Like the world in pre-WW2 Europe. If we ignore the problem, it will go away. What a fantasy world some people live in. If we pray to God, the problem will go away. 40, 50, 60 million death later and people still don’t understand.

The only way to maintain peace is to prepare for the next war and you do this by educating your children that they will live in peace only if they defend their country from invasion. They must not forget who fought along side their country’s forces and who gave no help at all. That determines who your friends really are.

I’d rather live in hell with the truth, than live in heaven with the knowledge that I could have stopped this invasion if I gave up my fantasy life as an ostrich and fought the invaders the best I could. Even if all I had for ammunition was words.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Any borders that might exist in Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory do not exclude humans. The bible says little if any about borders. (it speaks of tribes) American Indians lived on this continent for thousands of years without borders. Borders are man made to exclude others. Jesus said treat your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22). God offers all a welcome, it is a conditional offer, which is not based on where you were born, or who your descendents are.

 

[Bullfighter]

. The bible says little if any about borders. (it speaks of tribes)

But when bible experts map out the areas, they use borders don’t they.

American Indians lived on this continent for thousands of years without borders

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Well if you were Sioux, you had better not cross into Apache territory or you would find out about borders.

Borders are man made to exclude others.

Really? OK, when you want something shipped to your house do you give your address as Earth? When you sent out Christmas cards, you used addresses didn’t you. You didn’t just write the name of the family and then Earth.

Jesus said treat your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22).

Absolutely! I treat the invader the same way I would expect to be treated if I did the same to him and his country. There is nothing against defending one’s country in the bible.

God offers all a welcome, it is a conditional offer, which is not based on where you were born, or who your descendents are.

True. Their is nothing wrong with THEM believing that too. It doesn’t matter where I live because one day I will die. Why don’t I fix up my own country? That land belongs to God also.

 

[jman507]

Really? OK, when you want something shipped to your house do you give your address as Earth? When you sent out Christmas cards, you used addresses didn’t you. You didn’t just write the name of the family and then Earth.

Well it is there to exclude others. Certainly I would prefer to be excluded from getting someone else’s Christmas cards, and I’d like mine to be excluded from others. Personally, Christmas cards intended to me mean more to me, than those intended for others. Certainly I would prefer the intended recipient to receive the cards sent to the person for the same reason.

Perhaps we can remove names, so we can stop excluding others from claiming our ideas. I would love to see this forum all filled with only anonymous posters, and not be able to try to connect post by the same person in an atempt to get a coherent idea of where they are coming from. On the other hand, no not really, that doesn’t sound that great.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

…I would love to see this forum all filled with only anonymous posters,…

The forum is full of anonymous posters, and they post from anywhere, and everywhere. Look at people in prison cells now that is borders, do they have a premium life with those great borders or do borders ruin their life?

 

[jman507]

The forum is full of anonymous posters, and they post from anywhere, and everywhere. Look at people in prison cells now that is borders, do they have a premium life with those great borders or do borders ruin their life?

So every post by Texas Roofer is not a post by the same person? Or perhaps Texas Roofer and Bullfighter are the same person.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

So every post by Texas Roofer is not a post by the same person? Or perhaps Texas Roofer and Bullfighter are the same person.

You do not know either nor do you know if either are U.S. Citizens. Yet everything works out just fine.

 

[jman507]

You do not know either nor do you know if either are U.S. Citizens. Yet everything works out just fine.

My apologies. Sorry it is a bit particular about me, I don’t so much about if anyone here is necessarily a US citizen, much less if you have anything to do with Texas or roofing, but it would be nice to know if Texas Roofer of posts #4, #9, #12, And #14 are the same person. I know when I have a conversation I’d like to make the assumption that I can account for each person, along with the ideas he or she has stated.

 

[mlchance]

Any borders that might exist in Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory do not exclude humans.

Sure they do. The “border” between Heaven and Hell excludes humans from entering the former from the latter.

The bible says little if any about borders.

Therefore, they didn’t exist? Of course not. The Bible isn’t a geography textbook.

American Indians lived on this continent for thousands of years without borders.

Nonsense. Territorial wars between Native Americans were quite common.

Borders are man made to exclude others.

That’s all? Of course not.

Jesus said treat your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22).

Actually, he said to “Love your neighbor as you love yourself.” I love myself too much to break the law. If I ever decide to move to another state/country/whatever, I’ll do so legally or not at all.

God offers all a welcome, it is a conditional offer, which is not based on where you were born, or who your descendents are.

Exactly. God’s offer is conditional. One must do the will of God to get one’s place in Heaven. IOW, one must obey God’s laws. Similarly, if one wants to cross a border, one must obey man’s laws to do. After all, we are to render unto Caesar… (Matthew 22).

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Bullfighter]

Well it is there to exclude others. Certainly I would prefer to be excluded from getting someone else’s Christmas cards, and I’d like mine to be excluded from others. Personally, Christmas cards intended to me mean more to me, than those intended for others. Certainly I would prefer the intended recipient to receive the cards sent to the person for the same reason.

Perhaps we can remove names, so we can stop excluding others from claiming our ideas. I would love to see this forum all filled with only anonymous posters, and not be able to try to connect post by the same person in an atempt to get a coherent idea of where they are coming from. On the other hand, no not really, that doesn’t sound that great.

How about the good old Bible days when people only had first names. But why did Mary Magdelene, Augustus Caesar, and Pontius Pilate have last names? Even Jesus had only “Jesus”! Hardly seems fair that a woman follower of Jesus gets to have a last name and Jesus only gets one. I guess that’s one of those bible mysteries.

 

[Bullfighter]

You do not know either nor do you know if either are U.S. Citizens. Yet everything works out just fine.

I could show you my draft card. I am required to carry it by penalty of federal law even though it’s over 35 years old. But since you guys could care less about laws, maybe I’ll burn it.

In philosophy, their is universal law. If one person can break one law that they don’t like and get away with it, then all people can break all laws they don’t like. That’s only fair!

 

[Bullfighter]

Any borders that might exist in Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory do not exclude humans. The bible says little if any about borders. (it speaks of tribes) American Indians lived on this continent for thousands of years without borders. Borders are man made to exclude others. Jesus said treat your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22). God offers all a welcome, it is a conditional offer, which is not based on where you were born, or who your descendents are.

I want to be in the courtroom when you try to use the “Bible” as a defense in a criminal or civil action about borders. Maybe if you dress up like Moses!

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Sure they do. The “border” between Heaven and Hell excludes humans from entering the former from the latter.

there is no reason to believe god needs borders nor any reason to believe such borders exist

Therefore, they didn’t exist? Of course not. The Bible isn’t a geography textbook.

there is no reason to believe they used borders

Nonsense. Territorial wars between Native Americans were quite common.

Not border wars, Indians did not use a border system. We know this because of the difficulty Indians had with the idea of a man “owning” land

That’s all? Of course not.

Actually, he said to “Love your neighbor as you love yourself.” I love myself too much to break the law. If I ever decide to move to another state/country/whatever, I’ll do so legally or not at all.

As always the one free to move who sees no reason the neighbor should be free to move. That is your privilege which you “lovingly” keep away from him

Exactly. God’s offer is conditional. One must do the will of God to get one’s place in Heaven. IOW, one must obey God’s laws. Similarly, if one wants to cross a border, one must obey man’s laws to do. After all, we are to render unto Caesar… (Matthew 22).

– Mark L. Chance.

So any man or owns a border in your system is equal to God?