Renaissance, Reformation & The Real Presence

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I have a personal theory about how and why the controversy concerning the Real Presence arose during the Renaissance. It is interesting to note that the idea of the Real Presence of the Body of Christ in the Eucharist went virtually unchallenged for 1500 years. After all, the Word of God clearly states that Jesus said “This IS my body” (Matt. 26:26, Mark 14:22, Luke 22:19, 1Cor 11:24). So what suddenly happened in the 1500’s A.D. that would have led devout Christians to question this? The answer, I believe, is the development of the scientific method during the early Renaissance. The church schools and universities themselves, just prior to this time, began teaching Aristotelean methods of thought that championed the laws of deductive reasoning.

Soon, men like Galileo, Kepler, Paracelsus, Copernicus and others became noted academics in this new thinking. Isaac Newton, a century later, became the ultimate champion of this paradigm shift in human thought, ultimately leading Western man into the age of “The Enlightenment” a century later. It is obviously no accident then, that it was during this change in Western thought when the Real Presence first came into question. What clear chain of reasoning could possibly explain how a piece of unleavened bread can be transformed into the body of Our Lord? No such chain of reasoning was found, and so the Real Presence was denied.

End of story? I think not. **The FACT is, the Lord did not stand up before the Apostles in a white lab coat, hold up a piece of unleavened bread and say “Let exhibit ‘A’ represent my physical body”! **No, He CLEARLY said **“This IS my body”. **So, ask yourself this: Would it be right of you to partake of the Eucharist whilst at the same time believing that it is NOT, in FACT, His body? If you think it WOULD be RIGHT of you to do so, on WHAT GROUNDS do you claim this? Is it upon the grounds of the line of reasoning of the renaissance protestants of 500 years ago?
Before you answer this, you should be made aware that, for just over 100 years now, physicists have known that the universe is NOT Newtonian.
Yes we can thank Newton for much that we have discovered and achieved over the last five centuries, but the FACT is Newtonian physics is a MIRAGE. It CANNOT be used to explain the origin and nature of the universe, nor do its principles apply at the microscopic and macroscopic levels of existence. Nuclear physicists have known for many decades now that subatomic particles do NOT move and change direction with the rational predictability of billiard balls. Instead they exhibit unpredicted forms of “strange behaviour”. Furthermore, scientists now understand that they can no longer think of themselves as “outside” observers, measuring the universe like a spectator watching a game of 9-Ball. We now know that EVERY act of observation AFFECTS the RESULTS OBSERVED. We are ALL PARTICIPANTS. Likewise, at the macroscopic level, astrophysicists have discovered equally strange phenomenon. Two bodies travelling at two-thirds the speed of light in opposite directions DO manage to transmit light to each other! We have also witnessed gravity so strong it can suck entire solar systems (and light itself!) into tiny “holes” in the fabric of space-time!

So, if Newtonian physics is dead, maybe Protestants should revisit that Renaissance line of reasoning which once so convincingly denied the Real Presence. After all, if Jesus Christ was who He claimed to be, then He is the Author of this universe, and of reality itself. So if He said “This IS my body” (and He did!) then maybe we ought to believe Him! 😉
 
I believe this problem existed early in the first century. Ignatius says something about heretics that deny the real presence of Christ. I see where your coming though. Very interesting thought.
 
Indeed. It seems that although science tries to predict the results of a given set of facts, the Universe as a whole is entropic and random. “See, there’s no God,” say the atheists; “we came into being by a random flux of something or other.”

But there are people who study this randomness: chaos theorists. And what they have found is that in all the chaos, there is a definite and discrete order. An order that trumps general relativity (which trumped Newtonian physics). Results which should be random are not; they follow patterns. Intellegent patterns, it turns out.

Science is not causally closed; hence, simply because one cannot see the Eucharist beyond the Host does not mean that there is no change.
 
I would say the whole “this is my body passages” are either very poorly written or very poorly translated. We may know what was said, but we have no idea how it was said, what gestures were involved with it or what pauses, if any, were between words. Is the passage properly punctuated? It’s unknowable considering this was never put on paper until a minimum of 30 years after the event by someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone etc. and now were reading a translation of a translation of a translation of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy.

That said, I’m not saying I subscribe to the above, but I’m saying I’m not quick to dismiss them.
 
Indeed. It seems that although science tries to predict the results of a given set of facts, the Universe as a whole is entropic and random. “See, there’s no God,” say the atheists; “we came into being by a random flux of something or other.”

But there are people who study this randomness: chaos theorists. And what they have found is that in all the chaos, there is a definite and discrete order. An order that trumps general relativity (which trumped Newtonian physics). Results which should be random are not; they follow patterns. Intellegent patterns, it turns out.

Science is not causally closed; hence, simply because one cannot see the Eucharist beyond the Host does not mean that there is no change.
No, it simply means you can’t, via any known means, prove there is one.
 
No, it simply means you can’t, via any known means, prove there is one.
Lutheranteach,

I think I see exactly where you’re coming from. And so my point is “Is your line of Reason so rock solid that you would allow it to destroy your FAITH?”. I’ve simply pointed out that the process of reasoning does not always lead one to the FINAL truth, and so Christians should NOT be too hasty to abandon their faith in the teachings of the Church, especially where those teachings directly concern the interpretation of Christ’s message to humanity.

So let’s leave science to perfect our cell phones and our 3-D televisions, but let us also allow the CHURCH to interpret God’s message of morality and salvation to an estranged humanity. I believe part of this salvation involves God offering up Himself to us in the Eucharist. After all, ***“Not only is the universe stranger than we think, it is stranger than we can think.” ***- Werner Heisenberg

Not only food for thought, but food for FAITH! 😉
 
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