Report: "British Court In Transgender Case: Bible Belief Is ‘Incompatible With Human Dignity’."

[annem]

Sigh, you may be right…

 

[Lion_IRC]

The Catechism goes on and on teaching us about dignity.

Yes but sadly, in these hedonistic, ungodly days, human dignity means a form of selfish autonomy which rejects any/all Higher Authority.

The Catechism versus the right to abortion-on-demand.
The Catechism versus the so-called right to die with dignity.
The Catechism versus the right to same-sex marriage and surrogacy/adoption on demand.
The Catechism versus Mammon, Aphrodite and Mars

 

[adamhovey1988]

Is anyone really surprised?

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

Not really.

 

[Leferdion]

What is this world turning into? I am scared for the next generation and their future because when the Transgender ideology is introduced in school curriculums, is it not to cause more confusion?
While the judges are at it, let them also sentence women who feel vulnerable and insecure in the presence of man-to-woman Transgenders (for example sharing a toilet together). Imagine a full grown-up, muscular man with beard and all…insisting on going to a toilet for women because he thinks he is a woman. How will the women using those toilets feel? Do those judges think it discrimination or disrespect of ‘‘human dignity’’ of the transgender woman to refuse him/her/it access to those toilets?

 

[Kullervo]

There’s no such thing as human dignity without the Bible. This statement is an oxymoron.

 

[TheLittleLady]

human dignity means a form of selfish autonomy which rejects any/all Higher Authority.

People who sin, who reject God, we are called to recognize their human dignity. I never read where Christ said “once someone sins you can disrespect them”.

 

[TheLittleLady]

The Church gave us the Bible. The Church clearly teaches about innate human dignity. Read the Catechism on the topic.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Transgender ideology is introduced in school curriculums,

In the United States, public schools are operated by their local school boards.

Would you define what you mean by “transgender ideology”? Where have you seen this in a public school, is it part of science or health class? Are you attending your school board meetings, running for school board, so to have (name removed by moderator)ut on the chosen curricula

for example sharing a toilet together

Again, speaking about the US, public restrooms have either a single toilet with a locking door (so one only shares with those one welcomes in before you lock the door) or toilets separated by privacy stalls. “Sharing toilets” is not something that happens in the US, and I’ve not seen it in my travels to Europe either.

Do those judges think it discrimination or disrespect of ‘‘human dignity’’ of the transgender woman to refuse him/her/it access to those toilets?

Basic human kindness says that we need to allow places for people to use the toilet, regardless of they way that person is dressed.

 

[Pattylt]

I know I’m the odd ball on this but…
I’d rather be a bit uncomfortable seeing a transgender in my public bathroom that the thought of him possibly risking his life by using the men’s room. As long as he goes into his stall, does his business and hopefully washes his hands and then leaves, I’m really ok with that.

I’ve heard too many stories of the risks trans have using their biological sex restrooms. I’ll bet many times a trans has used my restroom and I never even noticed as I had no idea they were trans.

I realize this opinion is my own and many do object. If the stalls had no doors, I would agree…but they do.

 

[Zach]

Without commenting on any specifics of this case, I really don’t see how this belief is “incompatible with human dignity”. What does that even mean?

I suppose it means if The Bible is incompatible with the beliefs of whoever wrote the ruling then the Bible is incompatible with the human dignity. As though the persons making the ruling have a monopoly on what constitutes human dignity.

To them they decide what constitutes human dignity.
If something is incompatible with what they decide then it is incompatible with human dignity.
The Bible is incompatible with what they decide.
Therefore The Bible is incompatible with human dignity.

It’s only in their pride and arrogance that they think they know what constitutes human dignity when in fact they don’t. Therefore their conclusion that The Bible is incompatible with human dignity falls apart.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

As long as he goes into his stall, does his business and hopefully washes his hands and then leaves, I’m really ok with that.

If everyone did that there would be no need for separation in the first place interestingly enough.

 

[Kullervo]

I know. I just said that the idea of human dignity comes from the Bible. It’s not self evident.

 

[TK421]

Governments and institutions need to follow their worldview to its misery-filled logical conclusion. They’ve already relegated marriage to an accessory instead of a bedrock to society, so a subjective view on gender is inevitable.

Rising nations in Asia and Africa will be able to see the results in the declining West and be better equipped to avoid them. The Gospel will live on as it always has.

 

[Annie]

In the United States, public schools are operated by their local school boards.

Would you define what you mean by “transgender ideology”? Where have you seen this in a public school, is it part of science or health class? Are you attending your school board meetings, running for school board, so to have (name removed by moderator)ut on the chosen curricula

However, the state and federal governments have some (name removed by moderator)ut. Washington state mandates teaching about transgenderism to kindergarteners

Again, speaking about the US, public restrooms…

Girls in UK avoiding using single-sex bathrooms

Basic human kindness says that we need to allow places for people to use the toilet, regardless of they way that person is dressed.

We do. We have men’s bathrooms and women’s bathrooms.

 

[De_Maria]

Why can’t they have their own transgender restroom?

Basically, I fear that women will be at risk when men can dress as women and take advantage of a lone woman in a restroom.

 

[TheLittleLady]

If you read your linked albeit slanted article, the proposals:

kindergarteners will learn to distinguish between “safe and unwanted touch.” They will also learn to “Recognize people have the right to refuse giving or receiving unwanted touch.”

This is important, it is what is taught in every RE program and school.

By third grade, students will be expected to “Explain that gender roles can vary considerably” and “Understand [the] importance of treating others with respect regarding gender identity,” as part of the “Self-Identity” component of sexual health.

Gender identity is defined by the state as “Someone’s inner sense of their gender.”

“The standards don’t define ‘gender spectrum.’

Goes on to outline different lesson plans with older and older groups.

The article contains links that no longer work, however, the State Office info can be found online, here is every time the word “Gender” is used:

https://www.k12.wa.us/search/google/gender

In Washington State, voters elect their governmental leaders who in turn appoint to various offices like Education. Voters would do well to be involved at the local level, after doing research on the actual policies instead of from op-ed pieces about policies.

 

[Pattylt]

I understand the fear…I really do! And the idea of transgender bathrooms may be in our future because of it!

 

[CTBcin]

On what ground does the British Court system have any authority to make judgements on what constitutes human dignity?

 

[Annie]

If you read your linked albeit slanted article, the proposals:

I linked that in your response to your question: Where have you seen this in a public school, is it part of science or health class?

It is in the public schools.