Report tracks thousands of summer protests, most nonviolent

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Interesting facts on the protests this summer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e-high_protestreport-630pm:homepage/story-ans

About 93 percent of the racial-justice protests that swept the United States this summer remained peaceful and nondestructive, according to a report released Thursday, with the violence and property damage that has dominated political discourse constituting only a minute portion of the thousands of demonstrations that followed the killing of George Floyd in May.

The report, produced by the nonprofit Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project, also concluded that an escalation in the government response to protests and a sharp uptick in extremist activity means the United States faces a growing risk of “political violence and instability” ahead of the 2020 election.

ACLED, which monitors war zones and political upheaval around the world, launched the US Crisis Monitor report with Princeton University’s Bridging Divides Initiative. Using media accounts and other public information, the report identified 7,750 protests from May 26 through Aug. 22 that were linked to the Black Lives Matter movement. The protests took place in 2,400 locations across all 50 states and the District.
 
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Let’s see, the rioters caused I believe $50 million dollars of damage in Minneapolis, a lot if not most damage to minority businesses. A lot of this is not covered by insurance nor will it be covered by the states.

Countless people have died because of the rioters acts.

So, let’s put that in perspective, “most nonviolent”. Give me a break.
 
Victoria33 said:
So, let’s put that in perspective, “most nonviolent”. Give me a break.
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Facts are tough, aren’t they?

The violence was bad. It was uncalled for. It was wrong. But most protests were not violent. They were just Americans exercising their rights.
 
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Facts are tough, aren’t they?
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but other facts take over the narrative

especially the facts concerning the violence? it doesn’ matter how many peaceful protests there are, the violent ones take center stage and were not condemned by the left until it became a voting issue. Has BLM condemned the violence yet?

how many lives lost, how much property damage, emotional damage, businesses lost, etc. How much of this damage is in areas least able to recover? these are the facts people are dealing with.
 
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especially the facts concerning the violence? it doesn’ matter how many peaceful protests there are, the violent ones take center stage and were not condemned by the left until it became a voting issue. Has BLM condemned the violence yet?
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Fair point. I’m not a BLM apologist, so, I agree.
upant said:
how many lives lost, how much property damage, emotional damage, businesses lost, etc. How much of this damage is in areas least able to recover? these are the facts people are dealing with.
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Also true.
 
upant said:
the violent ones take center stage and were not condemned by the left until it became a voting issue. Has BLM condemned the violence yet?
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The left’s presidential candidate has yet to condemn Antifa’s blackshirt style violence, or those members of BLM who have been violent by name. AFAIK
 
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Has BLM condemned the violence yet?
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They haven’t taken responsibility for it, and why would they? If they apologise they are also saying it was their fault.
 
They may well be doing this to trackdown the Kingpins of those causing unrest. I heard some agitators are flying around the country to the hotspots. It looks like an organized uprising. Law enforcement can not sit back and do nothing.
 
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I can’t tell the difference, can anyone? how?
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The organization has a 16 chapters in the USA and Canada.

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When I’ve seen people speaking as a member of the organization they have often identified their chapter. Not that this means one always does. Also note that the organization has positions that people that say “BLM” might not share. For example, the organization is in support of Trans-people. Individuals in the BLM movement may or may not share that position. About the only thing that people in the movement share is the view that the use of police violence is used against black people (or people of color) excessively. Outside of that, positions may vary.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
When I’ve seen people speaking as a member of the organization they have often identified their chapter. Not that this means one always does. Also note that the organization has positions that people that say “BLM” might not share. For example, the organization is in support of Trans-people. Individuals in the BLM movement may or may not share that position. About the only thing that people in the movement share is the view that the use of police violence is used against black people (or people of color) excessively. Outside of that, positions may vary.
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as I say you can’t tell the difference because they all may or may not. especially when they are burning and looting or even peacefully protesting.

at this point, I think the movement has been hijacked by the extremes of both sides.

the organization has anti-catholic policies and the movement… who knows.
 
upant said:
at this point, I think the movement has been hijacked by the extremes of both sides.
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Non-centralized movements are easily co-opted. Since there is no clear criteria for determining membership beyond self declaration, anyone can claim membership and do something bad and sour perception for the others identifying under the same position.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
Non-centralized movements are easily co-opted. Since there is no clear criteria for determining membership beyond self declaration, anyone can claim membership and do something bad and sour perception for the others identifying under the same position.
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the movement has lost its focus and is doing more harm than good.

when they go after the people defending them…
 
The continued protests, many of them damaging property, pushing over statues, advocating violence (the one in NYC for example chanting about “burn this precinct to the ground”) or actually doing violence have caused me to turn my hearing aid off. At this point, it’s beyond sending any kind of a message and it’s just a bunch of people acting out.
 
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the movement has lost its focus
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In a way, we may share an opinion here.

I think there are two many different non-o overlapping demands being made, which has muddled the message and success criteria. The demands coming out of Portland have, in my opinion, been some of the most varied.
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The continued protests, many of them damaging property, pushing over statues, advocating violence (the one in NYC for example chanting about “burn this precinct to the ground”) or actually doing violence have caused me to turn my hearing aid off.
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I had a discussion with a friend in which I told her that I thought the violence and the property damage serve to erode empathy. She told me that the property damage isn’t necessarily coming from the protestors. My response is that even if it was an entirely different set of people, with there being no clear way to identify where each person stands it will still go against the protest. Even if it is a different set of people, since they tend to show up where ever the protestors do, it will make the protestors potentially less welcomed and that the general public may not be interested in a nuanced discussion.
 
Yeah, at this point I’m not interested in playing “who struck John?” trying to figure out which group is damaging property and which group is just yelling. I just think it’s time for the whole marching-in-the-streets business to end. It’s doing nothing to actually solve problems at this point.
 
Ibe also found that some don’t know that property destroyed in a riot might not be covered by insurance. A person with a business may find themselves in debt with their means of making money gone with no assistance for recovery.
 
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