REPOST: Is there another world that guides and controls our world?

[Robert_Sock]

what do you mean by taking ‘credit’?

If I invent a new design I can take out a patent and put my name on the product. Does that mean I am taking credit for my achievement?

or are you saying that God gives each of us gifts and we can’t take any credit for making good use of those gifts?

It is through God that we create anything, and God must be given ultimate credit for each and every achievement. It’s a big assumption to say ‘I think.’ We should be saying, there is thought.

 

[Robert_Sock]

the flaw in your argument is your assumption that all these technologies are rather unique. That’s what we keep saying isn’t true. These technologies are not unique, they are basic ideas built on each other and refined. All that was required was sufficient materials, time, and effort to develop them.

Your computer is nothing more than a glorified abacus. A little more versatile than an abacus but that was a pleasant side effect.

You’re grossly oversimplifying the time and energy needed to create these machines.

The process of creating compute chips in no way evolved from the abacus. And while newer computer chip making machines may indeed be built upon earlier machines, all the computer chip making processes were developed over the past 150 years. Imagine the amount of trial and error (over that 150 year time period) that must go into something so amazingly complex as computer chips!?!

Each technology, like that of light bulbs, is rather unique; a toothpick making machine will lend little insight into the designing of the machines needed to to create light bulbs.

 

[vz71]

My brother in law understands cars.
He understands the engine, the suspension, and he also has a clear understanding of the electrical components in a car.

he could take the component parts and make a working car.
He could also to a great degree fabricate many of the parts himself to make a working vehicle.

Now, could he vulcanize rubber and make the tires? No.
But someone else can. And I would wager this person likewise understands rubber.
Can put it all together, and likely get the materials and do it themselves.

The person that understands everything about the tires likely does not understand everything about the car.

All of the tech we have currently is like that in some way or another.
No one person has a full understanding of all of it, but different people do have full understandings of specific parts and other people have an understanding of how to put the parts together.

There is no technology we currently have that is truly outside of our understanding.

 

[vsedriver]

It is through God that we create anything, and God must be given ultimate credit for each and every achievement. It’s a big assumption to say ‘I think.’ We should be saying, there is thought.

no, I can say “I think” as I am an individual with an immortal soul. You can’t be both a child of God and a cog in a machine. Yes, all credit is to be given to God but that doesn’t mean that we don’t take credit for our actions.

 

[vsedriver]

You’re grossly oversimplifying the time and energy needed to create these machines

 

[Robert_Sock]

can you back this up with evidence?

Self experience from having worked in a machine building shop.

I can prove that the process of creating computer chips did evolve from the abacus. Have you watched Connections by James Burke yet?

The computer may have evolved from the abacus, but the process and machines used to create computer chips did not.

On the contrary, if you know how to make a toothpick machine you can reengineer that machine for other uses. What connects them both is the idea of using machines to make machines. That is the development of technology. One doesn’t need to make light bulbs with a toothpick machine. One only needs to know how to use gears, levers, pulleys, forge metal, cast metal, and harness a power source.

You make it sound like anybody can create these machines. It’s a gross oversimplification. Can you, or anybody you know, create a modern toothpick making machine?

 

[Cristiano]

We’re actually cheating here because somebody already presented a video of the toothpick making process, but still, somebody needs to design the machines, and build each and every unique part that make up these machines, along the toothpicks making process.

Or, perhaps we could move on to something a bit more complex, like computer chips? Can any group of people on this earth design the process and the machinery (including the dies) needed to produce computer chips? How long would it take any group of people to figure this stuff out? Yes, we can build upon previous technologies that share some basic function, but still, all these technologies are rather unique and they all had to be developed in the past 150 years. Imagine the extreme complexity here? Imagine having to re-create the main machines and dies, for each and every new computer chip? Imagine the extreme complexity of having to mass produce the following transistors shown in the thumbnail? Anybody who says this stuff is easy is out of his or her mind!

I do that every day and i get paid for it. Building computer chips is not that difficult, I have been doing it for 20 years.

I alraedy told you how old are the basic ideas to print them, centuries old.

 

[Robert_Sock]

I do that every day and i get paid for it. Building computer chips is not that difficult, I have been doing it for 20 years.

I alraedy told you how old are the basic ideas to print them, centuries old.

Can you let us in on these ideas? How are you building computer chips?

 

[vsedriver]

Can you let us in on these ideas? How are you building computer chips?

how did you make machines in a machine shop?

 

[Robert_Sock]

how did you make machines in a machine shop?

 

[vsedriver]

 

[Robert_Sock]

It’s not even a bad science-fiction story!

(Though they made a movie that sounded like it once…Dark City…creepy :bigyikes

No, not science-fiction. The need for an upper world, be it angels or God Himself, is evident. The naysayers are not in touch with the obvious fact that technology can only be accountable by such an upper world. Our innate wit is indeed puny, and nobody can honestly claim to process this wit for the building of a modern tooth pick making machine, never mind the mass production of computer chips.

 

[Cristiano]

No, not science-fiction. The need for an upper world, be it angels or God Himself, is evident. The naysayers are not in touch with the obvious fact that technology can only be accountable by such an upper world. Our innate wit is indeed puny, and nobody can honestly claim to process this wit for the building of a modern tooth pick making machine, never mind the mass production of computer chips.

I claim to have and use my wit for mass production of computer chips. I am very honest about it. I acknowledge that my intelligence is a gift of the Holy Spirit and to say to the contrary would be blasphemous, no need for other worlds.

There is nothing innate in us that is not created by God. Anything that is created by God is not puny but good. The way you are describing the human kind is similar to animals with the only difference that we are tricked by angels and devils into believing that we have a special gift from God. This is contrary to what the Church teaches.

 

[TEPO]

Is there another world that guides and controls our world? From where does technology come? How else could our world grow to over seven billion people without it crashing? Our innate wit is simply too puny to account for all the high tech advances that you see in this world. Heck, please tell me if you have the innate wit to figure out how to mass produce simple boxes of toothpicks? Let me say that none of us have the innate wit to figure out the production process, especially the designing and building of the machinery. Now consider how our technology and world advanced so drastically over the past 150 years. Consider having to design and build the machinery and tooling necessary to mass produce computer chips. Such engineering feats, again, are far, far beyond our puny innate wit. My suggestion to everyone is to be humble, and seek God!

(I’m not in any way trying to infer that aliens have infiltrated the earth, but that, like in Judaism, God created four different worlds, with our world being the absolute lowest. It is these upper worlds that I’m talking about.)

In the movie Avatar, the tree of life seems to guide the motives and actions of all forms of life there. In the end, even the wild beasts are influenced by the tree to join the attack against the greedy “aliens” who wish only to destroy the tree thus enabling the aliens to seize full control of everything.

Have you seen it?

 

[Robert_Sock]

In the movie Avatar, the tree of life seems to guide the motives and actions of all forms of life there. In the end, even the wild beasts are influenced by the tree to join the attack against the greedy “aliens” who wish only to destroy the tree thus enabling the aliens to seize full control of everything.

Have you seen it?

No. I used to be a moviegoer, but have since begun a quite life of self imposed solitude. No cell phone and no TV.

 

[Robert_Sock]

I claim to have and use my wit for mass production of computer chips. I am very honest about it. I acknowledge that my intelligence is a gift of the Holy Spirit and to say to the contrary would be blasphemous, no need for other worlds.

There is nothing innate in us that is not created by God. Anything that is created by God is not puny but good. The way you are describing the human kind is similar to animals with the only difference that we are tricked by angels and devils into believing that we have a special gift from God. This is contrary to what the Church teaches.

Again I ask: How did you create these computer chips? Did you simply run a machine that someone else invented? Or did you actually invent one of these specialized machines?

I strongly agree that God is the source of all our achievements, and I still say that our innate wit is puny in comparison to that needed to produce toothpicks. And yes, God did create much more intelligent beings besides humans, such as the angels.

 

[Cristiano]

Again I ask: How did you create these computer chips? Did you simply run a machine that someone else invented? Or did you actually invent one of these specialized machines?

I strongly agree that God is the source of all our achievements, and I still say that our innate wit is puny in comparison to that needed to produce toothpicks. And yes, God did create much more intelligent beings besides humans, such as the angels.

If you want to think that you are stupid it is fine with me and you do not have to prove it to me. However, I know how intelligent I am and if you spent more time studying instead of coming up with asinine conjectures you would probably be more creative. Being creative is a mental exercise, if you do not practice you fail. Check online classes for problem solving and you will see what I am talking about.

Please google the words “silicon processing” and you will see the complexity and also the triviality of making computer chips.

A person should be much more surprised by scientific discoveries than by technological development.

 

[vz71]

I took a course in Logic in college.

Through the course of the semester, the professor took us step by step in explaining various gates and how the function.
Then over the next few weeks, he took us through the steps and we ended up building a calculator from scratch.

Of course it was limited in function, and for every calculation we had to directly wire the (name removed by moderator)ut, but it worked. And we were all reminded that it was only a few decades ago that computer programmers were (name removed by moderator)utting their data in a similar fashion (hard wiring).
Given enough time, and resources, we could have easily taken this calculator and equipped it with magnetic core memory, punch card (name removed by moderator)uts, and eventually the whole would have taken on the look and feel of any other computer.

Even the most advanced of tech is only a few small and perfectly logical steps away from what is already understood.

There is no tech man possesses that is beyond the grasp of man.

 

[Robert_Sock]

I took a course in Logic in college.

Through the course of the semester, the professor took us step by step in explaining various gates and how the function.
Then over the next few weeks, he took us through the steps and we ended up building a calculator from scratch.

Of course it was limited in function, and for every calculation we had to directly wire the (name removed by moderator)ut, but it worked. And we were all reminded that it was only a few decades ago that computer programmers were (name removed by moderator)utting their data in a similar fashion (hard wiring).
Given enough time, and resources, we could have easily taken this calculator and equipped it with magnetic core memory, punch card (name removed by moderator)uts, and eventually the whole would have taken on the look and feel of any other computer.

Even the most advanced of tech is only a few small and perfectly logical steps away from what is already understood.

There is no tech man possesses that is beyond the grasp of man.

Now try developing a process, and designing the machinery, to mass produce your little calculator. It gets difficult!

 

[vsedriver]

God did create much more intelligent beings besides humans, such as the angels.

you have no evidence that angels are more intelligent than humans. The only evidence we have of angels is that some obeyed God and some did not. And that they act as servants/messengers to God.