REPOST: Is there another world that guides and controls our world?

[Beryllos]

Technology may be hard to comprehend in full, because it is the work of many people over many years. There is no need to explain it by hyper-intelligent extraterrestrials or parallel universes.

I’ll bet no one person knows every detail about how a car works. The design of a car is fantastically complicated. Let’s take one little piece. Consider the lowly engine valve. Whoever designed the first engine valve for a gasoline engine probably started with a valve from some other machine like a steam engine. By today’s standards, it was very crude, but it worked. Since then, every time someone designed a new valve or a new engine, they made it a little better. Perhaps today there is an engineer (or a small team) who takes a current valve design and adapts it to a new engine, improves the fuel efficiency in some small way, or introduces a new alloy.

Okay, I guess we’re done with valves. Now consider that other teams designed the pistons, engine bearings, engine oil, engine cooling system, transmission, battery, brakes, steering, tires, tire rubber, lights, dashboard controls, seats, seat belts, windows, doors, locks, paint, and so on, ad nauseam.

People cooperate, they build on the success of others, and they invent. When you put it all together, it’s amazing.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Technology may be hard to comprehend in full, because it is the work of many people over many years. There is no need to explain it by hyper-intelligent extraterrestrials or parallel universes.

I’ll bet no one person knows every detail about how a car works. The design of a car is fantastically complicated. Let’s take one little piece. Consider the lowly engine valve. Whoever designed the first engine valve for a gasoline engine probably started with a valve from some other machine like a steam engine. By today’s standards, it was very crude, but it worked. Since then, every time someone designed a new valve or a new engine, they made it a little better. Perhaps today there is an engineer (or a small team) who takes a current valve design and adapts it to a new engine, improves the fuel efficiency in some small way, or introduces a new alloy.

Okay, I guess we’re done with valves. Now consider that other teams designed the pistons, engine bearings, engine oil, engine cooling system, transmission, battery, brakes, steering, tires, tire rubber, lights, dashboard controls, seats, seat belts, windows, doors, locks, paint, and so on, ad nauseam.

People cooperate, they build on the success of others, and they invent. When you put it all together, it’s amazing.

Your reasoning works well for cars, but I think it falls short when it comes to very specialized machinery that are rather unique to one another. No real time for trial and error considering how quickly our world progressed over the past 150 years.

 

[tabycat]

Your reasoning works well for cars, but I think it falls short when it comes to very specialized machinery that are rather unique to one another. No real time for trial and error considering how quickly our world progressed over the past 150 years.

Rockets today use the same ideas that were used 500 years ago, just better fuels and castings. We have used what was being done over those years with rockets that today we can put man into space with them. :whacky:npatrol:

 

[Beryllos]

Your reasoning works well for cars, but I think it falls short when it comes to very specialized machinery that are rather unique to one another. No real time for trial and error considering how quickly our world progressed over the past 150 years.

What very specialized machinery do you have in mind?

Actually I brought up cars because they appear deceptively simple. (Just turn the key and step on the gas pedal…) In fact, they are very specialized. It’s a big-money, competitive industry that has invested heavily in R&D. I mentioned the design of engine valves because even that is beyond most of us, but only because we are not automotive specialists. The valve is only one of perhaps thousands of highly specialized components in a car.

You might be thinking of computers. I’ve been following computers since they booted from floppy disks and memory capacity was measured in kilobytes (but I arrived long after punched cards and magnetic core memory). The progression has been rapid, yes, but continuously driven on many fronts by talented and industrious people. No magic was necessary.

 

[Mintaka]

Proposing that humans don’t have the intelligence to invent toothpick production is exactly the same as saying that the Beatles weren’t smart enough to create their own albums.

Lennon, McCartney, et al did not have to invent the concept of music, their instruments, the idea of songwriting, romantic lyric poetry, verse forms, percussive patterns, or even the musical movements of which they were part (classical, jazz, skiffle, rhythm and blues, and rock and roll). They did not have to invent the concept of notated musical scores, recorded music, record pressing, or modern production techniques. They did not have to invent theatrical agents, bars and dance places, theaters, concerts, the recording industry, radio, or record stores. They did not have to invent publicity, newspapers, newsreels, television, television networks, variety shows, or the Ed Sullivan Show.

We are all in this together, which is why we can do big things.

But it’s also why we have to compete so hard to make a mark, to do something original or touching or differently blended. A lot of guys were doing stuff like the Beatles did, but the Beatles did it better and differently – and with luck at the right moment, too.

 

[Robert_Sock]

What very specialized machinery do you have in mind?

The machines that mass produces toothpick, CPUs, light bulbs, pencils etc etc.

 

[Beryllos]

By what means or mechanism would the other world secretly guide and control our world?

If they are so smart, why can’t they guide and control our society, economy, and government? Why is their power limited to technology? Don’t they care about the poor?

 

[Robert_Sock]

By what means or mechanism would the other world secretly guide and control our world?

If they are so smart, why can’t they guide and control our society, economy, and government? Why is their power limited to technology? Don’t they care about the poor?

Why doesn’t God care about these things?

The worlds which I speak are spiritual worlds.

 

[Robert_Sock]

So, can anybody design the process and machines for mass produced toothpicks!?! Does anybody know of someone who has designed the process and machines for mass producing everyday products like light bulbs, pencils and ball point pens, paper, parts for printers, DVDs, CPUs, scotch tape, silverware, batteries, parts for digital clocks, needles, fabrics, parts for cell phones, glass, parts for computer screens, tons of specialized parts for medical equipment, transistors etc, etc. Take a close look around you and see the complexity of all the mass produced products that need designing and building.

 

[bsroufek]

In an effort to put your faith and belief in the right place, I submit the following.

From this Bible site:

All Knowledge and Wisdom Comes Direct From God

These next set of verses are the heart and soul of this entire subject matter. All of these verses are telling us that all knowledge and all wisdom comes direct from God and Jesus.
The first verse will tell us that all the “treasures” of wisdom and knowledge are “hidden” in God the Father and Jesus Christ. Notice that God is comparing knowledge and wisdom with “treasures,” and that this treasure is hidden within Himself. This means that God and Jesus are the source of all godly knowledge, and that we first have to seek after the source in order to get this knowledge to be released to us.

Here are some of the most profound verses in all of Scripture showing us that not only is God the source of all godly knowledge and wisdom – but that He actually wants to release this knowledge to us!

*“… both of the Father and of Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” (Colossians 2:2)
“Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! … For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.” (Romans 11:33,36)
“For the Lord gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding; He stores up sound wisdom for the upright …” (Proverbs 2:6)
Daniel answered and said: “Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, for wisdom and might are His. And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding. He reveals deep and secret things; He knows what is in the darkness, and light dwells with Him.” (Daniel 2:20)
“Can you search out the deep things of God? Can you find out the limits of the Almighty? They are higher than heaven – what can you do? Deeper than Sheol – what can you know? Their measure is longer than the earth and broader than the sea.” (Job 11:7)
‘Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’ (Jeremiah 33:3)
“Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.” (Matthew 13:11)
“… that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe …” (Ephesians 1:17)
“Surely the Lord God does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.” (Amos 3:7)
“But there is a God in heaven who reveals secrets …” (Daniel 2:28)
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31)
*

All of these verses are telling us that all things, including all knowledge and all wisdom, comes direct from God the Father. These verses are showing us that not only is God the source of all knowledge and wisdom – but that He actually wants to release this knowledge direct to us. He wants to show and reveal great and mighty things to us. He wants to tell us deep and secret things that the average person will not have access to.

So, all the technology you see today is a rather worldly but useful knowledge coming from God, sometimes to our ancestors and handed down to us but also to us directly in these days. It’s useful and a gift from God, not aliens or other worlds as you might think, but it’s still inferior to the Spiritual Knowledge we have from Jesus, the Apostles, Scripture, The Church Fathers/Doctors.

God bless!

 

[christofirst]

So, can anybody design the process for mass produced toothpicks!?! Does anybody know of someone who has designed the process for mass producing everyday products like light bulbs, pencils and ball point pens, paper, parts for printers, DVDs, CPUs, scotch tape, silverware, batteries, parts for digital clocks, needles, fabrics, parts for cell phones, glass, parts for computer screens, tons of specialized parts for medical equipment, transistors etc, etc. Take a close look around you and see the complexity of all the mass produced products that need designing and building.

Clearly, someone already designed a machine for the mass production of toothpicks. Check with the patent office and you will find the names of inventors and designers, along with the plans for all of those wonderful things you mentioned.

Now, is everyone equally gifted with an inventive mind? I would say no. Or maybe we all have some capacity for inventiveness, but many of us lack the motivation or the right circumstances, like a proper education or mentor.

When I worked in construction, I knew a few individuals with a knack for innovation. They took an existing item like mounting hardware, and modified it in some unique way to meet a need we had on the job. When I saw their creation I thought, “What a great idea. I wish I had thought of it.”

 

[Robert_Sock]

In an effort to put your faith and belief in the right place, I submit the following.

From this Bible site:

So, all the technology you see today is a rather worldly but useful knowledge coming from God, sometimes to our ancestors and handed down to us but also to us directly in these days. It’s useful and a gift from God, not aliens or other worlds as you might think, but it’s still inferior to the Spiritual Knowledge we have from Jesus, the Apostles, Scripture, The Church Fathers/Doctors.

God bless!

Yes, all knowledge and wisdom comes from God, but to whom does God impart this knowledge to? What is their IQ. Do you know of a single person who has this sort of wit? Why is this sort of knowledge hidden from our sight?

No, I do not believe that aliens create these things.

 

[dshix]

Do you know of a single person who has this sort of wit?

Yes. Lots.

What is your point?

 

[Robert_Sock]

Clearly, someone already designed a machine for the mass production of toothpicks. Check with the patent office and you will find the names of inventors and designers, along with the plans for all of those wonderful things you mentioned.

Now, is everyone equally gifted with an inventive mind? I would say no. Or maybe we all have some capacity for inventiveness, but many of us lack the motivation or the right circumstances, like a proper education or mentor.

When I worked in construction, I knew a few individuals with a knack for innovation. They took an existing item like mounting hardware, and modified it in some unique way to meet a need we had on the job. When I saw their creation I thought, “What a great idea. I wish I had thought of it.”

Taking a good look around you and see all the unique items that need to be mass produced. There should be a mechanical engineer on every street corner with this huge, huge wit. But where are they hiding? Do you know of anyone?

 

[Robert_Sock]

Yes. Lots.

What is your point?

So you’re claiming to know people who can design the process and machinery for mass producing toothpick? Can you point them out to me? What is their IQ? What is the circumference of their heads?

 

[Joan_M]

So you’re claiming to know people who can design the process and machinery for mass producing toothpick? Can you point them out to me? What is their IQ? What is the circumference of their heads?

Why are people continuing to respond to this rubbish?

 

[dshix]

So you’re claiming to know people who can design the process and machinery for mass producing toothpick? Can you point them out to me? What is their IQ? What is the circumference of their heads?

I did not say that I know the toothpick-machine designer, but rather just people with “this kind of wit” as you say.

And no, I can’t point them out to you because the names would be somewhat irrelevant to you, you not knowing who they are.

Besides, that would be somewhat of a breach of privacy.

Why are people continuing to respond to this rubbish?

I’m not exactly sure. Perhaps we find him amusing…?

 

[pnewton]

People are not as dumb as some think people are. (Thank God!)

Not all of us at any rate. I am reminded of AC Clarke’s third law.

 

[Qoeleth]

Thanks for your humorous (name removed by moderator)ut.

But, joking aside, I think you are right about the acceleration of technology being somehow inexplicable. Without being melodramatic, perhaps it is a sign that we are reaching ‘end times’, like a rock rolling down a hill, which gets faster and faster as it goes.

 

[dshix]

But, joking aside, I think you are right about the acceleration of technology being somehow inexplicable. Without being melodramatic, perhaps it is a sign that we are reaching ‘end times’, like a rock rolling down a hill, which gets faster and faster as it goes.

I don’t find the acceleration of technology inexplicable. When some absolutely monumental discoveries are made, other discoveries can be easily be build upon the first ones, and so on.

Anyone who suggests that it would take a very long time for the next inventions to come after the discovery of how to use electricity has a grave misunderstanding of how technological advancement works.