Representatives for the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian Government Hail the New Pope as a Good Sign for Orthodox-Catholic Relations
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josephback
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Wouldn’t the reunion of Russia and Rome be great? Fatima!
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George_Stegmeir
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It is nice that the Ruskie’s are being diplomatically polite. However don’t get your hopes up. The Russian Orthodox Heirarchy is still angry about the Ukrainian Uniate Church reclaiming its Churches and other property in the Western Ukraine. Until they get over that, I would not hold up much hope for union of any sort.
They still haven’t forgiven the Poles for allowing Pilsudski to raze the Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Warsaw in 1920.
They still haven’t forgiven the Poles for allowing Pilsudski to raze the Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Warsaw in 1920.
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Rawb
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Yeah, all that…and of course, the fact that just being friendly with someone doesn’t mean you’re going to jump into marriage with them.
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Reuben_J
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It’s encouraging sign for good relationship between the two churches.
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MartinJordan
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There is only one Marriage. The Wedding Feast Of the Lamb . IMO we’re in already in it together. There is no issue of (again my opinion) who is the Chief Cornerstone- The Groom our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
What we have is the human aspect. A marriage isn’t a bed of roses.
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Ontheway
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“the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian Government Hail the New Pope”
The fact the the Russian Church and government speak with one voice says it all. The post-soviet government in Russia and the orthodox church continue to play the russian imperialist tune of gathering all the Russian lands underder the crown of "mother Russia’. This is all politics. The Russians want to regain control of all the former Soviet Republics. The Roman Catholic Church has always stood in the way.
When John Paul II was pope he inspired a great revival of western Christianity in Russia. Millions of Catholics in Russia fought hard to regain their churches.
The Orthodox church and government perceived this as a threat to their hegemony.
Now the pope is from South America so the Russkies think that he will pay less attention to what goes on in the East. They now have the opportunity to return to their propaganda of detante with the western church. Their hostility toward the western church has not changed. The propaganda machine will continue to work.
As far is Pilsudski is concerned, he was and remains their arch-enemy.
The fact the the Russian Church and government speak with one voice says it all. The post-soviet government in Russia and the orthodox church continue to play the russian imperialist tune of gathering all the Russian lands underder the crown of "mother Russia’. This is all politics. The Russians want to regain control of all the former Soviet Republics. The Roman Catholic Church has always stood in the way.
When John Paul II was pope he inspired a great revival of western Christianity in Russia. Millions of Catholics in Russia fought hard to regain their churches.
The Orthodox church and government perceived this as a threat to their hegemony.
Now the pope is from South America so the Russkies think that he will pay less attention to what goes on in the East. They now have the opportunity to return to their propaganda of detante with the western church. Their hostility toward the western church has not changed. The propaganda machine will continue to work.
As far is Pilsudski is concerned, he was and remains their arch-enemy.
- He is the only leader who defeated the Soviet Union in open war. (1920) They will never forget that.
- His idea of a multi-cultural Commonwealth that united Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania with Poland in a federated republic was a direct threat to Soviet, Russian imperial and Orthodox Church interests.
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Ontheway
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Catholic ecumenism has met however with great resistance from the Russian Orthodox Church and the Moscow Patriarchate, seat of the ‘Third Rome’.
Here is part of an article from Asia news:
The head of the Russian Orthodox Church’s Department for External Relations, Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk, said on Thursday that a meeting between the pope and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow was “possible but the place and timing will depend on how quickly we will overcome the consequences of the conflicts from the turn of 1980s and 1990s”.
The Russian church sets the pre-condition for the meeting. They demand that the Roman church abandon support for the Ukrainian Catholic Church.
The issue of the Ukrainian Catholic Church is at the core of the “conflicts” to which Hilarion was referring. Although it was unbanned following the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was left without its original churches, which had been seized by the Communists under Soviet rule and later transferred to the Orthodox Church.
The Ukranian Church was banned for the first time by imperial Russia in the 1830’s and the Catholics were forced to “return to the Orthodox church.” Many did but even more resisted. The Soviet policy that followed in the 1930’s was simply a continuation or reimposition of the same RussianChurch/State policy.
Here is part of an article from Asia news:
The head of the Russian Orthodox Church’s Department for External Relations, Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk, said on Thursday that a meeting between the pope and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow was “possible but the place and timing will depend on how quickly we will overcome the consequences of the conflicts from the turn of 1980s and 1990s”.
The Russian church sets the pre-condition for the meeting. They demand that the Roman church abandon support for the Ukrainian Catholic Church.
The issue of the Ukrainian Catholic Church is at the core of the “conflicts” to which Hilarion was referring. Although it was unbanned following the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was left without its original churches, which had been seized by the Communists under Soviet rule and later transferred to the Orthodox Church.
The Ukranian Church was banned for the first time by imperial Russia in the 1830’s and the Catholics were forced to “return to the Orthodox church.” Many did but even more resisted. The Soviet policy that followed in the 1930’s was simply a continuation or reimposition of the same RussianChurch/State policy.
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Schism_hater
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Some people will never get beyond the past.
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Ontheway
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This is from Reuters from 2012
(Reuters) - The head of the Russian Orthodox church on Wednesday called the 12 years of Vladimir Putin’s rule a “miracle of God” and criticised his opponents, at a gathering where religious leaders heaped praise on the prime minister.
Putin wants support from spiritual figures for his campaign to win his third term in the Kremlin in a March 4 election. He is facing a growing protest movement and needs to consolidate his core support to avoid a runoff.
The Russian patriarch calls 12 years of Putin’s dictatorship a “miracle of God”. No comment is necessary.
(Reuters) - The head of the Russian Orthodox church on Wednesday called the 12 years of Vladimir Putin’s rule a “miracle of God” and criticised his opponents, at a gathering where religious leaders heaped praise on the prime minister.
Putin wants support from spiritual figures for his campaign to win his third term in the Kremlin in a March 4 election. He is facing a growing protest movement and needs to consolidate his core support to avoid a runoff.
The Russian patriarch calls 12 years of Putin’s dictatorship a “miracle of God”. No comment is necessary.
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Rawb
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Not to mention it’s odd to speak of a “revival” of Western Christianity in Russia.
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Anthony86
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Putin is not a dictator. Governments are not merely divided in US-style liberal democracies and ‘dictatorships’.
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Ontheway
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Of course, we all agree to disagree on what consitutes freedom, or what is dictatorship. What seems like oppression and dictatorship to some people appears as democracy to others. During the Sovier era all the communist countries called themselves “people’s democracies”. The only democracy they enjoyed was that they were all equally repressive.
But, permit me to provide a citation from Freedom House:
*Against that backdrop, it should not be surprising that Putin oversees a regime that shows utter disregard for the human rights of its own people or for those in other countries, as evidenced most recently by its continued arms sales to the murderous Assad regime in Syria. For more than a decade, starting with the late Yeltsin period and then picking up speed when Putin came to power, Freedom House has been documenting Russia’s steep and steady decline in democracy and human rights. Freedom House findings chronicle a grim record of across-the-board decline during the Putin era, including in the areas of judicial independence, media freedom, anticorruption, and the election process. In our Freedom in the World and Freedom of the Press surveys, Russia is ranked Not Free. *freedomhouse.org/article/russia-2012-increased-repression-rampant-corruption-assisting-rogue-regimes
But, permit me to provide a citation from Freedom House:
*Against that backdrop, it should not be surprising that Putin oversees a regime that shows utter disregard for the human rights of its own people or for those in other countries, as evidenced most recently by its continued arms sales to the murderous Assad regime in Syria. For more than a decade, starting with the late Yeltsin period and then picking up speed when Putin came to power, Freedom House has been documenting Russia’s steep and steady decline in democracy and human rights. Freedom House findings chronicle a grim record of across-the-board decline during the Putin era, including in the areas of judicial independence, media freedom, anticorruption, and the election process. In our Freedom in the World and Freedom of the Press surveys, Russia is ranked Not Free. *freedomhouse.org/article/russia-2012-increased-repression-rampant-corruption-assisting-rogue-regimes
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Ontheway
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Are you objecting to what the patriarch said or to my pointing it out?
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Ontheway
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Freedom House report states: Freedom House has been documenting Russia’s steep and steady decline in democracy and human rights. Freedom House findings chronicle a grim record of across-the-board decline during the Putin era,
The Patriarch says: The head of the Russian Orthodox church on Wednesday called the 12 years of **Vladimir Putin’s rule a “miracle of God” **and criticised his opponents, at a gathering where religious leaders heaped praise on the prime minister.
The Patriarch says: The head of the Russian Orthodox church on Wednesday called the 12 years of **Vladimir Putin’s rule a “miracle of God” **and criticised his opponents, at a gathering where religious leaders heaped praise on the prime minister.
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Schism_hater
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The Russian patriarch calls 12 years of Putin’s dictatorship a “miracle of God”. No comment is necessary.
In view of the Soviet era, the Patriarch’s statement is understandable.
In view of the Soviet era, the Patriarch’s statement is understandable.
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Indifferently
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Most of the innovations in doctrine come from the Church of Rome and not the Church of Russia. This new Pope fills me with great hope but we shall see.
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Indifferently
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Putin is a good leader. Much better than the left wing, anti Christian, politically correct, globalist interventionist governments of the west and the EU.
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George_Stegmeir
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A simple question: If you think Putin is such a good leader, why are you living in the UK instead of Russia? Is it only because having to learn Russian is too difficult?
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