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Joe_Kelley said:
I just heard a snippet from Denis Prager. He was commenting that Conservatives tend to be more respective of Liberals than Liberals are of Conservatives. It appears that Liberals must condemn Conservatives as evil lest they be obliged to consider that theyt might be right. 😉
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Ah, that explains Ann Coulter’s GODLESS.

So, was Mr. Prager being the tax collector, or the Pharisee… 🤷

It seems to me that everyone who feels compelled to prove the moral superiority of his/her earthly club probably can find a fitting parable in Jesus’ earthly ministry.
 
SoCalRC said:
Let me rephrase. Why, exactly, are any of these radical for a Catholic?
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Just to take one - the NAU (North American Union); I think you would find that most Catholics - indeed most Americans - would find an economic and, especially, a political union among the US, Mexico and Canada, a la the EU, to be a pretty radical (“far beyond the norm”) proposal. I also don’t see any moral imperative, from a Catholic point of view, for such a plan.

Other Schriner positions (restitution to Native Americans, restorative justice, strong pro-environmental policies, living wages, etc.) would most likely also be considered pretty liberal by most Catholics, as well, though strong arguments could be made that they are based on Catholic social teaching. (I tend to believe that, while not as conservative as protestant fundamentalists, most Catholics, at least those I know, would faint dead away at most of Joe’s proposals, aside from his strong pro-life stance.)

We tend to be more liberal (I do hate labels) on many social issues, other than life issues, than our friends (perhaps it is the New England upbringing and Jesuit education.) We’re in the deep south, in about as conservative a congressional district as you can get. Makes for interesting political discussion, much like this board.
 
SoCalRC said:
Wow, that is silly. We’ve just seen the largest redistribution of wealth and ownership in US history. This concides with the most massive examples of corruption and chronism in US history.

War profiteering CEOs have seen their pay rise 700%. We’re using our tax dollars to cover up Pinochet thug’s drunken shooting sprees, lest we rock the gravy boat for the well connected…
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I agree, it is sad, silly and a horrible thing.
SoCalRC said:
And you are worried about a greedy middle class suckling at the public teet?
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No. You totally misinterpret what I am worried about.
SoCalRC said:
I guess it is true, politicians can get away with anything, as long as they give the public scapegoats to blame and hate… 😦
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I sure hope not.
 
Liberals typically believe in:

Abortion

Homosexual Marriage

Stem Cell Research

Radical Environmentalism, ie., nature worship

Radical Animal Rights, ie., Animal worship

Freedom of Expression (but only when it comes to pornography, or dung splatered dipictions of the Blessed Mother)

Separation of church and state (but only if that means any and all references to God be silenced in every public venue or private company.

The State having the primary say so in issues concerning parental rights. Afterall, it does take a village.

Anything else I am missing?

How anyone calling themselves a christian can vote for any of the democratic presidential front runners is either lying to themselves or so entrenched in their party’s politics they can’t see the light of day.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
First, I asked for documentation that the USCCB and the Holy Father said what they were alleged to have said. I’ve seen this claim made in several places and have yet to see proof thereof.
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You can go to the USCCB website and read the entire text. But here is the first part. There are many documents on this topic, many opposing starting the war, many opposing the existence fo the war, and some now opposing pulling out without leaving it stable. Read the last sentence.

There are many news reports of this in the press, but this one is directly from our Church. It reads “In light of the current realities, the Holy Sea and our Conference support broader regional and international engagement to increase security, stability and reconstruction in Iraq.”
 
A candidates religion is of tremendous importance. If he is religious this tells you much about his true beliefs. I need to lookinto Mormonism further, but what I’ve gathered so far is not good, even though it is not empirical. If it is what I hear it is I can not vote for Romney as good a candidate as he might otherwise be. I would like a real Catholic to be elected. I would be content with a non evangelical Protestant. I would be content with a pious Jew. If any of these men or women identify themselves with a faith but stray from it in public policy, they are not true their faith, how can they be trusted to to true to their constituents if they can’t be true to God. I’d rather have an honest aetheist who beleived as I did on the issues and has the integrity to see those beliefs thru than some so-called Catholic pale white sperm whale with with an infected liver and a bottle of Canadian Club tucked into his left flipper washed up on the shores of Martha’s Vineyard trying to pinch the tush of a local teenage ASPCA volunteer while whispering I don’t know what happened but someone else was in the car, call my lawyer and tell Ma I love her. But I don’t mean anyone specific. Dan
 
BTW, Catholic Answers has voter guides suggesting what to look for in any candidate.

Go to Catholic Answers Website. Click on shop. Look under special projects. I believe it is available for a nominal fee. Dan
 
SoCalRC said:
Ah, that explains Ann Coulter’s GODLESS.

So, was Mr. Prager being the tax collector, or the Pharisee… 🤷

It seems to me that everyone who feels compelled to prove the moral superiority of his/her earthly club probably can find a fitting parable in Jesus’ earthly ministry.
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Thankyou for proving his point.
 
mpb74 said:
-I need to look into Mormonism further, but what I’ve gathered so far is not good, even though it is not empirical
  • If it is what I hear it is I can not vote for Romney as good a candidate as he might otherwise be.
    -I’d rather have an honest aetheist who beleived as I did on the issues and has the integrity to see those beliefs thru …
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If I understand your comments you would not support Romney because he is a Mormon even though you seem to like his positions but you would vote for an atheist whose positions you liked. Are you saying that it is worse to be a Mormon than to be an atheist?

I have no religious test for office although in general I am more comfortable with a person who is serious about religion. I don’t see any possible threat that could uniquely come from a Mormon president.

Ender
 
melensdad said:
You can go to the USCCB website and read the entire text. But here is the first part. There are many documents on this topic, many opposing starting the war, many opposing the existence fo the war, and some now opposing pulling out without leaving it stable. Read the last sentence.

There are many news reports of this in the press, but this one is directly from our Church. It reads “In light of the current realities, the Holy Sea and our Conference support broader regional and international engagement to increase security, stability and reconstruction in Iraq.”
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Okay…I read and understand that. Good and well.

It’s not what we’re getting with Bush, though, it is?
 
LCMS_No_More said:
Okay…I read and understand that. Good and well.

It’s not what we’re getting with Bush, though, it is?
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I have never voiced support for Bush.
I have never voiced support for the invasion.

You seem to do a good deal of reading way more into what I write than what is posted. Or at least by implication of the way you phrase your questions you certainly believe you know my feelings. Just as you did with your waaaaay off base comment about me being concerned with the ‘greedy’ middle class in a prior post.

So the real question is do you and I see eye to eye on issues? No we probably don’t. But you seem to have a simplistic, or perhaps monodimensional view of things political.

So for the record, I feel that the lower and middle classes are being EXPLOITED by social programs that keep them dependent upon government handouts of various type from the absolute misunderstanding of what a “Tax Refund” really is, to the fact that Democrats pander to the needs of the masses by creating more and more opportunities to become dependent upon programs that take away from personal responsibility, such as Social Security. That is one of the biggest “lies” being told to people. Take a poll of folks who believe it was designed to be a retirement account that would pay for their retirement and you will be shocked. Many people feel that SS is going to take care of them so they don’t need to save! Then when they get older they realize they have a problem and turn to the government for more and more assistance. What we are doing is institutionalizing government funded programs that REPLACE our need to take responsibility for our own actions. That creeping problem is one of the reasons why fewer and fewer people believe in God and it can be seen in Europe as the secular world takes over more responsibility and people give up their responsibility to care for themselves.

Government should take care of those who cannot take care of themselves, and charity should be there as a supplement as well. Government should provide a safety net, but not a way of life or a livelihood that becomes generational and cultural.

The 10 Commandments are the ultimate guide to personal responsibility and they come with grave consequences. The problem we have with society today is that we are removing the consequences for making bad choice after bad choice.
 
mpb74 said:
BTW, Catholic Answers has voter guides suggesting what to look for in any candidate.

Go to Catholic Answers Website. Click on shop. Look under special projects. I believe it is available for a nominal fee. Dan
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Just so you know, the 2004 and 2006 voting guides were not recommended by the USCCB, they said that only the USCCB voting guide be used. The CA guide was viewed as too partisan for use and opened the Church up to tax risks.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
Just so you know, the 2004 and 2006 voting guides were not recommended by the USCCB, they said that only the USCCB voting guide be used. The CA guide was viewed as too partisan for use and opened the Church up to tax risks.
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And the USCCB put out “A Call to Faithful Citizenship” which included paragraphs like this:
How will we address the tragic fact that more than 30,000 children die every day as a result of hunger, international debt, and lack of development around the world, as well as the fact that the younger you are, the more likely you are to be poor here in the richest nation on Earth?
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Wait a minute here – I know children die from hunger, but how do they die of “international debt and lack of development?”
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
Just so you know, the 2004 and 2006 voting guides were not recommended by the USCCB, they said that only the USCCB voting guide be used. The CA guide was viewed as too partisan for use and opened the Church up to tax risks.
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Can you provide some documentation for that? I don’t recall the USCCB saying that the CA guide was “not recommended” and “too partisan.”

Considering some of the guidelines I have seen from USCCB, I could also claim that they are too partisan.
 
As the elections are far away I have time to better inform myself on Mormonism, I may be misinformed as of now. As his faith should inform his intellect, His intellect may be very scary indeed.
I qualified the type of aetheist I would vote for as honest and with integrity. They do exist. To me that is better than a polytheist who believes the God of our area of the universe/multiverse is one of many Gods who inhabit different areas of the physical heavens. Though I believe they now preach, not necessarily practice monoganism, The men who were revealed this religion, liked polygamy. Mostly grown men having sex with the 12 year old daughters of lower ranking members of their church. I think that is now called rape and child abuse. It is also thought of as degrading to older women caught in this shameful practice. It is female sexual abuse even when practiced on twenty year old women who “Comply”. This is not thought of as abuse though by more enlightened Americans when they support the the positions of abusers. But I digress, as usual.
Of course Romney is now against abortion, it is a rather convenient preelection revelation. I’d rather a pagan like Rudy who would appoint strict constitutionalists. That I can rely on.
I believe Romney likes abortion for most Americans. While Mormons have kids by the basketful as they neither have abortions or use birth control. Those at least are two good things. But if Mormons have more kids and we have less their political power grows. They see no seperate state and religion. Look at Salt Lake City for example. A wonderful place for Catholics. Call me crazy, you won’t be the first and I won’t be offended. But there is something to what I say despite all the bluster. Dan, A man who likes a good conspiracy theory.
 
rlg94086 said:
Can you provide some documentation for that? I don’t recall the USCCB saying that the CA guide was “not recommended” and “too partisan.”

Considering some of the guidelines I have seen from USCCB, I could also claim that they are too partisan.
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While googling, I found this interesting Catholic Voter’s Guide…
Voter’s Guide for Cafeteria Catholics
This voter’s guide helps you cast your vote in an manner consistent with the beliefs that you already hold. It helps you avoid choosing candidates who hold opinions opposite of your own and to avoid just voting with an alleged Catholic conscience as dictated by a male hierarchy.
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THE FIVE NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES
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These five current issues below concern actions that are intrinsically evil and must never be promoted by the law. Intrinsically evil actions are those which fundamentally conflict with your own moral view.

  1. *]_________________________
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    Simply fill in the blanks. Suggestions are minimum wage, national healthcare, War for oil, etc. You might consider adding a traditional Catholic moral suggestion such as abortion. Remember your definition for reducing abortion is not limited to actually passing laws to restrict abortion but can easily include economic issues.
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  1. splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/archives/005219.php
    👍 😃
 
rlg94086 said:
While googling, I found this interesting Catholic Voter’s Guide…
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While your guide was obviously tongue in cheek, here would be my five:


  1. *]*Abortion
    ]Euthansia    /mercy killing
    *]Human Cloning
    *]EMBRYONIC stem cell research but I could strongly support a candidate who embraced ADULT stem cell research as an alternative
    *]Homosexual Marriage, or similar equivalents including ‘significant other’ benefits as if married as these are anti-family issues that weaken the sanctity of marriage

    But bear in mind, while I support things like adult stem cell research, I do not support the government subsidy of these things. The role of the government should be to set guidelines on issues like these and then enforce those guidelines, but it should not make the government the executor of public funds to promote these types of things. The private sector can fund research if it sees potential profit, but the private sector should not be allowed to run amok and do as it pleases on every issue in any way it pleases.

    On issues like the family, there is ample proof that marriage tends to be a stabilizing factor on society, that children brought up in a married family unit are less violent, less prone to live in poverty, and less prone to being a burden on society. The role of the government should not include legitimizing any union that devalues the institution and sacrament of marriage and the associated family unit.
 
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