Requesting to meet the Bishop

[dsimo]

Hi

Does anyone have any suggestions on How to set up a meeting to discuss all the inconsistency’s with the Liturgy and Rubrics of the Mass in the United States…I’m sure many have tried but few have succeeded. I wrote a letter requesting to meet. However I thought there would be some other ideas.

thanks
ds

 

[Arnobius]

Well I would suggest that the meeting be polite and respectful. If the bishop gets the impression that you are a “nut” he might not consider your concerns credible no matter what your evidence is.

So how it is presented is essential

 

[otjm]

There have been problems with the consistency of the Liturgy and the rubrics since the Mass of 1969 was released - that makes for about 38 years of complaints. The bishop most likely has heard all of the complaints you have to elucidate, and probably a few you have not thought of. And as well, the bishop before him, and the one before him… It is well documented. It is not as if he hasn’t heard this, that he has been inside a closet in the rectory, or there has been some great conspiracy by those surrounding him to keep him from ever hearing or seeing such things.

You are certainly welcome to take your list and litany of things you object to, and make an effort to get an appoinment; and should you succeed, I suspect he will be thoughtful, show pleasure that you have made the effort, ask for your prayers as he attempts to guide the church on his watch, and politely show you to the door.

And that will be that.

It might be noted that some enthusiastic individuals have even written to the Pope, and those who know the workings of the Vatican have even written to the dicastery which is in charge of Liturgy and rubrics.

It is now 38 years later, and slowly but surely, little by little, some of those issues are being addressed.

Do I suggest your time would be wasted? That all depends on what you consider to be a waste of time.

My suggestion would be that you spend 1/100th of the day in prayer each day - that would be 14 minutes and 24 seconds, if you want it exactly - and take the issue up in prayer.

And while you are at it, maybe you could pray for a few other issues - not that these would be more important, but just a thought - pray for the children who will be aborted that day. Pray for the mothers who often feel that they have no option, because the guy who got them pregnant is forcing the issue, or has abandoned them to deal with it by themselves.

Pray for the souls of the priests who have violated the integrity of children and teenagers; and pray for those who have been violated, particularly those who later committed suicide because they could not deal with the damage it did to them.

Pray for those who are being persecuted in China, and in Muslim countries, particularly those who will die for their faith this next year.

In fact, you might pray for the dying, particularly those who will die alone.

Pray for vocations.

Pray for parents, who face a secular world terribly at odds with their faith, that they may teach their children.

It is just possible that you might find issues that are more important than whether or not you spend 5 minutes with a bishop telling him what he has already heard.

And if prayer is not enough to get you distracted from the issue, go and visit someone in a resthome, who has no visitors. Or go and visit someone dying of AIDS. Or cancer. Or go visit the wing of a hospital that treats children with terminal diseases.

Or go volunteer at a soup kitchen. Or volunteer to a neighbor who is elderly or diabled and cannot do housework, or yard work.

And if you run out of ideas, pm me and I will give you more.

In short, do something, instead of complaining about what has already been complained about for the last 38 years.

 

[latinmasslover]

I say take it up with the bishop. Some would suggest not to because others have already. Thinking like that, we might as well give up the fight against abortion and just pray for it to go away. Things won’t change if we remain silent. The bishop of my diocese avoided doing anything by saying it was up to the head pastor and that I should take it up with him. I already had, twice, and nothing was done (things actually got worse) which is why I went to the bishop in the first place.

Since many bishops, especially in this country, care more about what the people think than what God thinks, my suggestion would be to get a petition going if you can, and put a lot of prayer into that. Pray before the meeting, constantly invoke the Holy Ghost during the meeting, and if you can, have somebody recite the Rosary during the course of the meeting.

 

[puzzleannie]

go to the website of catholics united for the faith, cuf.org and look at the lay witness protocol. its president Leon Suprenant gives the proper way to address real liturgical abuse. do not even bother contacting your bishop unless you first follow these steps in your parish, and document your charges. Most likely when you write or email the bishop, he will refer the note right back to the pastor involved.

 

[dsimo]

Thanks to all of you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. There was some fantastic ideas posted. Let’s not forget the Freemasons both in the church and outside the church that are causing all these problems. Let’s ask the Bishops to address that. Probably most of them take a Lukewarm stance. Let’s not rock the boat would probably be the likely statement.

Thanks everyone

 

[First_of_9]

There have been problems with the consistency of the Liturgy and the rubrics since the Mass of 1969 was released - that makes for about 38 years of complaints. The bishop most likely has heard all of the complaints you have to elucidate, and probably a few you have not thought of. And as well, the bishop before him, and the one before him… It is well documented. It is not as if he hasn’t heard this, that he has been inside a closet in the rectory, or there has been some great conspiracy by those surrounding him to keep him from ever hearing or seeing such things.

You are certainly welcome to take your list and litany of things you object to, and make an effort to get an appoinment; and should you succeed, I suspect he will be thoughtful, show pleasure that you have made the effort, ask for your prayers as he attempts to guide the church on his watch, and politely show you to the door.

And that will be that.

It might be noted that some enthusiastic individuals have even written to the Pope, and those who know the workings of the Vatican have even written to the dicastery which is in charge of Liturgy and rubrics.

It is now 38 years later, and slowly but surely, little by little, some of those issues are being addressed.

Do I suggest your time would be wasted? That all depends on what you consider to be a waste of time.

My suggestion would be that you spend 1/100th of the day in prayer each day - that would be 14 minutes and 24 seconds, if you want it exactly - and take the issue up in prayer.

And while you are at it, maybe you could pray for a few other issues - not that these would be more important, but just a thought - pray for the children who will be aborted that day. Pray for the mothers who often feel that they have no option, because the guy who got them pregnant is forcing the issue, or has abandoned them to deal with it by themselves.

Pray for the souls of the priests who have violated the integrity of children and teenagers; and pray for those who have been violated, particularly those who later committed suicide because they could not deal with the damage it did to them.

Pray for those who are being persecuted in China, and in Muslim countries, particularly those who will die for their faith this next year.

In fact, you might pray for the dying, particularly those who will die alone.

Pray for vocations.

Pray for parents, who face a secular world terribly at odds with their faith, that they may teach their children.

It is just possible that you might find issues that are more important than whether or not you spend 5 minutes with a bishop telling him what he has already heard.

And if prayer is not enough to get you distracted from the issue, go and visit someone in a resthome, who has no visitors. Or go and visit someone dying of AIDS. Or cancer. Or go visit the wing of a hospital that treats children with terminal diseases.

Or go volunteer at a soup kitchen. Or volunteer to a neighbor who is elderly or diabled and cannot do housework, or yard work.

And if you run out of ideas, pm me and I will give you more.

In short, do something, instead of complaining about what has already been complained about for the last 38 years.

Thank you for putting the whole matter in the proper prospective. Thank you for lighting a candle instead of cursing the darkness.

 

[markadm]

go to the website of catholics united for the faith, cuf.org and look at the lay witness protocol. its president Leon Suprenant gives the proper way to address real liturgical abuse. do not even bother contacting your bishop unless you first follow these steps in your parish, and document your charges. Most likely when you write or email the bishop, he will refer the note right back to the pastor involved.

I had trouble finding this, so for everyone’s info it is here.