Required Confirmation Retreat

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If you can afford it, and are willing to go with an open mind, I would recommend it. I know that I learned a lot about myself and what I was willing to do for God, even though the retreat was rather weak. I went with the mindset of learning something, and I know those that went with a negative attitude took nothing from the retreat other than a few interesting memories (some caused by me). Don’t look at it from the standpoint of a lost weekend, look at it as an opportunity to grow in your faith.

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Orogeny:
Hi, Kristine.

That’s not quite right. Galveston/Houston does allow overnight retreats. My confirmation class from Christ the Redeemer parish just did theirs this weekend and my son (pre-confirmation) did his in the middle of December. All adults and teen peer-ministers must have completed the Veritas program to be allowed to chaperone.

Peace

Tim
Tim,

I am only quoting what the Veritas instructor said when he did the training for our parish. There are several posibilities. 1) The instructor was speaking out of turn (he has been known to spread other falsehoods) 2) The diocese changed it’s mind. 3) The diocese decided no overnight retreats but didn’t disseminate this decision to all the parishes (happens alot in G-H) 4) The diocese did publish the “rule” but parishes decided to ignore it or act as if it was a “suggestion”. (Another shocker for G-H, right?)
or 5) The retreats were adapted to conform with the Veritas guidelines (parents welcome and plenty of chaperones or supervision).

As I mentioned, we still have our retreat too but it isn’t overnight and parents are involved. BTW, according to the Veritas program itself a parent can observe at anytime whether or not he/she has completed Veritas. They just need Veritas training/bkg checks if they are going to be leaders or chaperones.
 
The parish I was confirmed at years ago had mandatory retreats up until a year or so before I was to be confirmed. The retreat center was shut down as basically a big drug haven. I dislike retreats, and have never had a spiritually moving experience from any of them. I find the only advantage to be that in an extended period of time versus and hour long class you can force the people to take things more seriously, since they are “in your face” the entire day,weekend, whatever, instead of just a passing short lived session than back to the “real world”. I think if youare serious to begin with that isn’t necessary. I started a thread a while ago about this, called “are retreats really necessary?” or something like that. I do not know how to paste a link into these posts yet, so you’ll have to search for it if you are interested. The parish we are currently in send the students to a “work camp” to work on houses, helping older people clean, fix up their house etc. Iin impoverished areas in another state. I personnaly think they could find these things close to home as well, so I don’t see the need to send the kids away for a week.
Ours were led by youth ministers, not preists, so “Catholic scandal” shouldn’t be a major concern in my opinion.
I take a MAJOR exception to this statement! Statistics show that there are no more likely to be predators in the priesthood than in the general populace. And predators themselves seek out careers that enable them to be near potential victims, such as teachers, coaches, and youth ministers. Abuse is not limited to the preists, and statements like this are harmfull. Every activity should be properly monitored, and that means people need to be monitoring the monitors, not just blindly trusting that “youth ministers” are great and priests are bad.
 
Hi, Christine.
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kmktexas:
Tim,

I am only quoting what the Veritas instructor said when he did the training for our parish. There are several posibilities. 1) The instructor was speaking out of turn (he has been known to spread other falsehoods) 2) The diocese changed it’s mind. 3) The diocese decided no overnight retreats but didn’t disseminate this decision to all the parishes (happens alot in G-H) 4) The diocese did publish the “rule” but parishes decided to ignore it or act as if it was a “suggestion”. (Another shocker for G-H, right?)
or 5) The retreats were adapted to conform with the Veritas guidelines (parents welcome and plenty of chaperones or supervision).
I completed the Virtus training during the first training cycle in 2003. The class was taught by a deacon from another parish and we talked specifically about overnight retreats, so I don’t think that it was a diocese policy nor was it just our parish. I know other parishes never stopped doing overnight retreats.
As I mentioned, we still have our retreat too but it isn’t overnight and parents are involved. BTW, according to the Veritas program itself a parent can observe at anytime whether or not he/she has completed Veritas. They just need Veritas training/bkg checks if they are going to be leaders or chaperones.
I believe you are correct about the training requirements.

Peace

Tim
 
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TAS2000:
I take a MAJOR exception to this statement! Statistics show that there are no more likely to be predators in the priesthood than in the general populace. And predators themselves seek out careers that enable them to be near potential victims, such as teachers, coaches, and youth ministers. Abuse is not limited to the preists, and statements like this are harmfull. Every activity should be properly monitored, and that means people need to be monitoring the monitors, not just blindly trusting that “youth ministers” are great and priests are bad.
Actually, “monitoring the monitors” is part of what the Virtus training is about. Obviously, anyone can be an abuser.

Peace

Tim
 
Actually, “monitoring the monitors” is part of what the Virtus training is about. Obviously, anyone can be an abuser.
Agreed, whoel heartedly!! My point was that the statement I qouted implied that there was no need to be concerned about abuse if there were no preists around. Come on!
 
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puzzleannie:
a retreat is strongly recommended as part of Confirmation preparation, preferrably within a few weeks before the sacrament is celebrated. If properly planned and if the candidates are prepared for it carefully, and it is led by experience directors,
Those are pretty big ‘ifs’. What if a parish doesn’t properly plan it, doesn’t have well prepared candidates and it’s not led by experienced directors? Should they still have to go? —KCT
 
I completed the Virtus training during the first training cycle in 2003. The class was taught by a deacon from another parish and we talked specifically about overnight retreats, so I don’t think that it was a diocese policy nor was it just our parish. I know other parishes never stopped doing overnight retreats.
Tim, I was in the first round too. Our trainer was a deacon from the chancery. He’s the one that said that they would not be continuing overnight retreats without parents. Based on everything that you and Puzzleannie have posted here, I believe that he spoke out of turn and that there was never any real effort to stop overnight retreats or to bring the retreats into compliance with the Virtus program in our diocese. Just having your leaders and chaperones Virtus trained is only going part way. The retreats that I have learned about (primarily at Catechist training) would not even meet the level of monitoring required of our Jr. Catholic Daughters group.

I personally have benefited from retreats and am not down on the whole idea of a pre-Confirmation retreat. However, there is no good “Catholic” reason for it to be done in co-ed groups or to exclude parents/sponsors. My idea of a good retreat would be to have the people about to be confirmed go on a same sex retreat with a parent or their sponsor. Much more likely to be spirtual growth rather than a big slumber party.
 
Everyone, I would like to apologize and say I stand corrected. I agree that anyone can be an abuser and that just because our retreats weren’t led by priests doesn’t mean anything. I didn’t proofread before posting, and I came off a lot more unitelligent than intended. The only point I was trying to get across, was that I think that retreats are worthwhile and in my parish I felt safe and I would’ve with our priests, too. I guess what I meant was that I was very familiar with my parish and its leaders and felt 100% safe. As long as someone feels safe with the leadership they’re under, there’s no cause for concern in that area and then the retreats can truly be enjoyed and everyone can get the best out of them as well.
 
overnight retreats–as well as work camps, mission trips, summer conferences, World Youth Day and any other event involving travel and overnight stays–can be tremendously valuable in the youth’s spiritual formation and other ways. The “feelings” about the leadership are not enough, in my opinion as a parent, to justify trusting a child for a weekend or longer to the the care of others. I would require evidence and experience of reliability and good judgement before my child participated, and if at all possible, I would be around.

Since my diocese has recently been “amalgamated” or put under control of GH, I assume that policies on overnight events will be reviewed. Personally, I would not touch it without a lot more parental involvement than is now the case in my parish. Yes, any volunteer or paid worker, parent or otherwise, who has significant contact with children or youth is required to complete the Virtus “Protecting God’s Children-Safe Environment” orientation, and to undergo a criminal background check. So what. 90 percent of abusers have no previous criminal record because past victims did not report, authorities took no action, or justice system failed to convict and punish. Parents, know the leadership of any program, church, school, or community, your child is involved in, preferably become involved yourself. By the way, statistics and new NEA study shows your child is much, much more likely to be abused at school than at church, and hundreds of times more likely to be abused by a family member than by a school or church worker.
 
My daughter attended an overnight co-ed confirmation retreat. It was held at the home of the parents of one of the confirmands. My daughter said that there were disturbing activities taking place in the bedrooms, right under the noses of the parents. I am all in favor of religious retreats but for teenagers I think it would be best if they were not co-ed.
 
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